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AA Plans to Outsource Thousands of Jobs | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort ...

AA Plans to Outsource Thousands of Jobs
Union leaders angry over loss of jobs
By Scott Gordon
American Airlines plans to significantly reduce its number of older jets, phase out some models entirely and outsource maintenance on others -- measures that enrage union leaders but the company says are necessary to return to profitability.
NBC 5 has learned American plans to:
Phase out the aging MD-80s, once the backbone of their fleet.
Reduce its number of 757s.
And outsource maintenance on the remaining 767s and 777s.
Tulsa and Dallas/Fort Worth will continue doing work on the airline's growing fleet of 737s.
Of the 13,000 jobs American plans to cut, more than half come from the Transport Workers Union. The TWU represents maintenance workers, mechanics and ground workers.
Union leaders say they are angry thousands of jobs will be outsourced to private facilities, perhaps overseas.
"There's a lot of uncertainty about what is going to happen," said Brian Parker, a spokesman for TWU's Local 513 in Southlake. "But it's not just an American Airlines thing. It's an America thing. It's all across the nation. It's corporate greed."
The airline has said restructuring is not about greed -- but its very survival.
American plans to cut 4,600 maintenance and mechanic jobs and 4,200 ground workers in order to emerge as a profitable company.
Analysts point out American's competitors already use private facilities to overhaul planes. Southwest Airlines, for example, does some maintenance work in El Salvador.
"It's simple math," said Rick Seaney, who follows the airline industry as owner of FareCompare.com. "It costs less to do that. It costs more to do it here. You know, that's what they're looking at doing. They have to cut costs."
Generally, American plans to do it by modernizing its fleet and eliminating older, gas-guzzling planes such as the MD-80.
"If oil stays above a hundred (dollars a barrel), they have to get rid of those jets," Seaney said.
Newer planes also need less maintenance -- another reason workers stand to lose their jobs.
Parker said the average age of ground service workers is 47 or 48 years with 19 or 20 years tenure.
"So these are seasoned employees -- it's a career," he said. "It's not just a job."
 
If the mechanics who get to keep their jobs are real union people, they will make sure that the FAA knows about every single shortcut, sloppy repair, or plain incompetent work done by overseas shops. The safety of the public and your fellow employees depends upon it.
 
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If the mechanics who get to keep their jobs are real union people, they will make sure that the FAA knows about every single shortcut, sloppy repair, or plain incompetent work done by overseas shops. The safety of the public and your fellow employees depends upon it.


You have to have proof and not be listed as a troublemaker. This has been tried before at other carriers. You see how effective it was in the past. Companies and the FAA will always say that they are certified and pass all required inspections and so on and so on...
 
Gotta love the hyperbole in the thread title, which implies that 777s and 763s are leaving the fleet.

It's just another rehash of what's now old news: AA is going to outsource a lot of maintenance, including widebody maintenance.
 
If the mechanics who get to keep their jobs are real union people, they will make sure that the FAA knows about every single shortcut, sloppy repair, or plain incompetent work done by overseas shops.

Seems to me they've been doing that, Jim. For the 10 years I've been on this forum, there's been a constant drum beating about how planes are going to be falling out of the sky whenever someone outsources maintenance.

In all that time, there's been lots of cries of smoke, but so far, not a single fire....

Remember all the AFW, TUL, and line guys pissing & moaning about MCI's first couple of overhauls on the AA certificate? You'd have thought that Missouri was in Guatemala....

I even remember people complaining about the lack of quality when the 757 moving from AFW to TUL...

My fear is that with so much "Chicken Little" syndrome going on, should something credible actually be discovered, it's not going to be taken seriously by anyone at the FAA...
 
Yes, E, and there have also been documented and reported in the press instances of shoddy work by overseas maintenance vendors. I know there are some excellent ones, and reality is they can do the work cheaper than it can be done in the U.S. There are also some bad ones. Read the thread about the latest Timco incident. If the company is having to send our mechanics to help their mechanics fix an airplane, it does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling at the thought of having to fly on those airplanes.

We already have enough "placarding" going on in-house to cover Centreport in duct tape.
 
AA Plans to Outsource Thousands of Jobs | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort ...

AA Plans to Outsource Thousands of Jobs
Union leaders angry over loss of jobs
By Scott Gordon
American Airlines plans to significantly reduce its number of older jets, phase out some models entirely and outsource maintenance on others -- measures that enrage union leaders but the company says are necessary to return to profitability.
NBC 5 has learned American plans to:
Phase out the aging MD-80s, once the backbone of their fleet.
Reduce its number of 757s.
And outsource maintenance on the remaining 767s and 777s.
Tulsa and Dallas/Fort Worth will continue doing work on the airline's growing fleet of 737s.
Of the 13,000 jobs American plans to cut, more than half come from the Transport Workers Union. The TWU represents maintenance workers, mechanics and ground workers.
Union leaders say they are angry thousands of jobs will be outsourced to private facilities, perhaps overseas.
"There's a lot of uncertainty about what is going to happen," said Brian Parker, a spokesman for TWU's Local 513 in Southlake. "But it's not just an American Airlines thing. It's an America thing. It's all across the nation. It's corporate greed."
The airline has said restructuring is not about greed -- but its very survival.
American plans to cut 4,600 maintenance and mechanic jobs and 4,200 ground workers in order to emerge as a profitable company.
Analysts point out American's competitors already use private facilities to overhaul planes. Southwest Airlines, for example, does some maintenance work in El Salvador.
"It's simple math," said Rick Seaney, who follows the airline industry as owner of FareCompare.com. "It costs less to do that. It costs more to do it here. You know, that's what they're looking at doing. They have to cut costs."
Generally, American plans to do it by modernizing its fleet and eliminating older, gas-guzzling planes such as the MD-80.
"If oil stays above a hundred (dollars a barrel), they have to get rid of those jets," Seaney said.
Newer planes also need less maintenance -- another reason workers stand to lose their jobs.
Parker said the average age of ground service workers is 47 or 48 years with 19 or 20 years tenure.
"So these are seasoned employees -- it's a career," he said. "It's not just a job."
Aren't the 767/777 heavys done in AFW? I guess now we know why they are closing AFW.....
 
Read the thread about the latest Timco incident. If the company is having to send our mechanics to help their mechanics fix an airplane, it does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling at the thought of having to fly on those airplanes.

I've read the mechanic's spin on the Timco thread, Jim. It's a one-sided argument right now; if the company were out saying anything about it, you and I both know the truth would be somewhere in the middle of that.

There's going to be a learning curve when you get a new-to-you aircraft type. The first time I saw an MD80 go out of service at JFK, I thought it was more than a bit comical that the guys who kept the Airpigs, SPs and MD-Lemons going on a daily basis couldn't figure out the MD80 without having someone drive over from LGA.....
 
Seems to me they've been doing that, Jim. For the 10 years I've been on this forum, there's been a constant drum beating about how planes are going to be falling out of the sky whenever someone outsources maintenance.

In all that time, there's been lots of cries of smoke, but so far, not a single fire....

Remember all the AFW, TUL, and line guys pissing & moaning about MCI's first couple of overhauls on the AA certificate? You'd have thought that Missouri was in Guatemala....

I even remember people complaining about the lack of quality when the 757 moving from AFW to TUL...

My fear is that with so much "Chicken Little" syndrome going on, should something credible actually be discovered, it's not going to be taken seriously by anyone at the FAA...
The FAA is in the corporate hip pocket just like you are Mr. CompAAny man. The FAA inspector that was chastised and parked at a desk during the NWA strike is proof of how well a FAA whistle blower is treated when the corporate minions get their panties in a knot. We just can't have any management outsourcing plan go haywire without blaming the "union thugs" for creating a false smoke screen. Right?

You do know Southwest is bringing more outsourced work in house right? Why?

In your mind, because you perceive any and all union workers as underhanded lying thugs who want nothing but corporate failure to further some cause. We could have mountains of documentation and first hand proof of our point (currently the Timco 757 debacle is a good one) and you and others of your corporate ilk would constantly ridicule and discount it.

You really need to see first hand what myself and others have seen before you run your ignorant "consultant mouth" on the subject. (Business must be slow with 7000+ posts, but it pAAys well :huh: ) Of course if you did, you would come up with some new way to discount it...just a set up...nothing to see here....all lies...g damn unions.

Ever seen an MRO 767 nose landing gear removed by a fork lift and tow straps?

Yep, I sure have. What a sight to see!!! The damage was superb!!!! Of course, they couldn't reinstall it with the fork lift. No, they were not in a union, sorry.

But hey, it's all just smoke and no fire... right? ;)
 
I place a lot of faith and trust in airplane mechanics but I also place a lot of faith and trust in airplane pilots. If outsourced maintenance represented a real and substantial risk to safety, then wouldn't the professional pilots at UA, DL, US and WN (among others) refuse to fly airplanes on the basis that they were not airworthy? Each of those airlines employs licensed mechanics who presumably inspect and sign off on the airworthiness of airplanes. Even assuming that the A&P mechanics at those airlines pencil whip problems, wouldn't the pilots' self-preservation instincts serve as a backstop?

So what's the response? More name-calling and "you're not an A&P mechanic so your logic is irrelevant to the discussion." The tell-tale signs that your arguments aren't the winners.

Sure, Timco appears to have struggled. That's more an indictment of that one company than it is an indictment of outsourced maintenance. That should be clear to anyone capable of undertanding simple logic.
 
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FWAAA,

We can only see the obvious stuff. To be sure, the Captain is where the buck stops in the event something is noticed by a mechanic or the ground crew, but there are many things not totally visible until a major problem pops up. The great thing is (and probably despised by managemen)t, is a Captain can turn down the jet even though it is 'legal' by the MEL, and FAA regs. More than a few times the mechanics wouldn't fly with it and they and their managers don't have the authority just because they don't like something, legal is legal for them.

To AA's credit so far, even when I and others have turned down a jet even though it was legal, along with starting a major hassle for the pax and other employees, I've never heard about it afterwards 99% of the time. When I did one time, said person didn't do his homework researching and agreed it was the right move.

Plenty of things won't pop up for years. Rest assured a major grounding or fleet devaluation due to poor practices or corrosion control will be met with requests from employees to foot the bill for the costs. Ask Boeing how thier outsourcing plan worked out regarding quality control.






(my appreciation to the sharp guys who have noticed things and brought them to attention)
 
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The great thing is (and probably despised by managemen)t, is a Captain can turn down the jet even though it is 'legal' by the MEL, and FAA regs. More than a few times the mechanics wouldn't fly with it and they and their managers don't have the authority just because they don't like something, legal is legal for them.


http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/11196015/1/us-airways-captain-escorted-from-airport.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
US Airways Captain Escorted From Airport
On June 16, captain XXXXXXXXX, a 30-year-pilot, was scheduled to fly an Airbus A330, which can carry nearly 300 passengers, on a flight from Philadelphia to Rome. But she declined to fly because of failures of both the auxiliary power unit, a backup source of electrical power, and the "hot battery bus," a primary source of electrical power.