A.a. Stuck With 4 F100's

[MCI transplant]

<_< Aircraft: 2AC,2AD,2AE,2AF, will be flown to MHV for long term storage, but most continue to be maintained as though in scheduled operation until returned to leasor, sub-leased' or purchased by AA. Lease return is Sept. 2014! Engine AD's 005-12-999,and 003-10-2000,have been issed against 7 of the eight engines, and most be complied with by Oct.2,2005, at the rate of $1mil. per engine! Any comments??? 😉

 

[eolesen]

Yes, they're on long term lease, and as far as I can tell, they're staying in storage at MHV until that time.

The AD"s do have to be done if the airframe is going to fly again, but I don't think anyone really expects them to fly again. It's not like there's a demand for F100's at the moment...

 

[MCI transplant]

Yes, they're on long term lease, and as far as I can tell, they're staying in storage at MHV until that time. 

The AD"s do have to be done if the airframe is going to fly again, but I don't think anyone really expects them to fly again.  It's not like there's a demand for F100's at the moment...

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<_< The terms of the lease are that these Aircraft are to be maintained in "Operational" condition! The A.D.'s will have to done! Or, the leases on these Aircract will have to be re-negotiated!!!

 

[jimntx]

<_< The terms of the lease are that these Aircraft are to be maintained in "Operational" condition! The A.D.'s will have to done! Or, the leases on these Aircract will have to be re-negotiated!!!

[post="267360"][/post]​

Gee, maybe if we don't maintain them, the lessor will demand their return!

 

[MCI transplant]

Gee, maybe if we don't maintain them, the lessor will demand their return!

[post="267366"][/post]​

<_< From what I've read jim, it's a done deal! A.A. stated it will maintain them, and do the AD's! I know! sounds dumb! But there it is!!

 

[777 fixer]

<_< From what I've read jim, it's a done deal! A.A. stated it will maintain them, and do the AD's! I know! sounds dumb! But there it is!!

[post="267374"][/post]​

Where did you read this?

 

[MCI transplant]

Where did you read this?

[post="267521"][/post]​

<_< You got a computer? I gave you the Aircraft numbers! Look them up like I did! 😉

 

[eolesen]

<_< You got a computer? I gave you the Aircraft numbers! Look them up like I did! 😉

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Sure, it is applicable, but where are you getting the information that the AD's are actually going to be performed in the immediate future? I don't see it anywhere on a dock plan, nor do I see an active ECO listed on the MPSR (on the planning website).

Remaining on the Ops Spec means that we have to maintain a current manual for the aircraft, but it doesn't mean we have to actually perform mods which would otherwise be unneccesary if the aircraft never flies again.

There are AD's affecting most aircraft sitting in storage at ROW, MHV, VCV, ect. More often than not, the lessor agrees to take the aircraft back "as-is" with a settlement payment (kind of like going way over the mileage on a leased car...). The AD is then either done by whoever the new purchaser is or the aircraft gets scrapped. Either way, you can't assume that the work is going to be done before Oct 2005, if it gets done at all....

 

[FWAAA]

<_< Aircraft: 2AC,2AD,2AE,2AF, will be flown to MHV for long term storage, but most continue to be maintained as though in scheduled operation until returned to leasor, sub-leased' or purchased by AA. Lease return is Sept. 2014! Engine AD's 005-12-999,and 003-10-2000,have been issed against 7 of the eight engines, and most be complied with by Oct.2,2005, at the rate of $1mil. per engine! Any comments???

[post="267350"][/post]​

Yeah - So What?

It beats the hell out of being stuck with 74 of them. 😀

 

[MCI transplant]

Sure, it is applicable, but where are you getting the information that the AD's are actually going to be performed in the immediate future?  I don't see it anywhere on a dock plan, nor do I see an active ECO listed on the MPSR (on the planning website). 

Remaining on the Ops Spec means that we have to maintain a current manual for the aircraft, but it doesn't mean we have to actually perform mods which would otherwise be unneccesary if the aircraft never flies again.

There are AD's affecting most aircraft sitting in storage at ROW, MHV, VCV, ect.  More often than not, the lessor agrees to take the aircraft back "as-is" with a settlement payment (kind of like going way over the mileage on a leased car...).  The AD is then either done by whoever the new purchaser is or the aircraft gets scrapped.  Either way, you can't assume that the work is going to be done before Oct 2005, if it gets done at all....

[post="267731"][/post]​

<_< Former Moderaator----All I know is what I read! MPSR Template revised on: 01/06/05."This plan was developed to identify specifics for meeting return requirements of the four leased F100 aircraft which will be in long term storage a Avtel in Mojave, CA.(MHV). The technical support of these aircraft must continue as though they were in scheduled operation. These aircraft will remain on our FAA Operations Specification Part D72 until they are returned to the leasor, sub-leased, or purchased by AA. The lease return for these four aircraft is September 2014." "Engine AD's 005-12-999 and 003-10-2000 have been issued against the 12th stage high compressor outer vanes of the TAY engine. Compliance with these AD's is mandatory by October 2, 2005 and will require a shop visit at an estamated cost of $1M each. Seven of the eight engines in long-term storage will require accomplishment of these AD's prior to lease return or other disposition of aircraft. Fleet Transactions/HDQ is aware of this requirement and will consider in disposition activity of aircraft." "View the Team Plan 04-65 R1" for more info. So take it for what it's worth!!!! Signed: "Just another one of aa's redheaded step children!!!"<_<

 

[eolesen]

Former Moderaator----All I know is what I read!

[post="267762"][/post]​

Yes, but you're not reading between the lines. I've been working with the MSPR for about ten years, and one thing I've learned is that lots of projects make it into the MSPR, but if it isn't on the dock plan, and there's no actual dates shown in the project plan, then the work is not being done.

Just to be sure, I spoke with someone in planning today who is very much involved with these four aircraft. If there's an interested party looking to sublease the aircraft, we'll do the work because it has a payback. If there's no sublease candidates, we'll most likely negotiate with Morgan Stanley (the owner) to adjust the residual value of the aircraft when the lease is up. Since there's not likely to be much value left in 2014, the payoff will probably wind up being far less than the cost of upgrading an engine which won't see anything more than a periodic runup over the next nine years.