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Something I just realized, and it does tell a lot about the state of the Airline Industry today. --------- At the time of the TWA merger/ buy out, AA had a combined workforce of approx. 94,000 employees, and 900 aircraft.------- With this merger, the new AA, the largest in the world, will have approx. 94,000 employees, and 900 aircraft.----- So what has changed? And what will AA look like ten years from now?
 
That's anybody's guess, but hopefully more or at least the same amount. A little note on fleet sizes, when
US & PI merged in 1989, the mainline fleet totaled 454.
Fast forward 23 years and another merger with HP, and today numbers are below 400. Sad to think how far back we have fallen, and a lot of the fleet loss came by way of those friggen RJ's.its sickening to think how many jobs were lost in this industry due to them.
 
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Instead of concentrating on being the largest airline on the planet maybe they should concentrate on the being the fastest! The only people who are making out on this deal are the executives and the bankers.
 
Something I just realized, and it does tell a lot about the state of the Airline Industry today. --------- At the time of the TWA merger/ buy out, AA had a combined workforce of approx. 94,000 employees, and 900 aircraft.------- With this merger, the new AA, the largest in the world, will have approx. 94,000 employees, and 900 aircraft.----- So what has changed? And what will AA look like ten years from now?

Even more employees in 2001 than that. On June 30, 2001, AA had 96,000 fte plus TWA, LLC had another 19,200 fte for a total of 115,200 employees (not counting Eagle) and the combined fleet was 905. Today, AA and US combined have almost 20,000 fewer total employees and at year end 2012 the combined operating fleet was 948 (608 at AA and 340 at US). 43 more planes yet about 20,000 fewer employees - today the workforce is necessarily more efficient.
 
Even more employees in 2001 than that. On June 30, 2001, AA had 96,000 fte plus TWA, LLC had another 19,200 fte for a total of 115,200 employees (not counting Eagle) and the combined fleet was 905. Today, AA and US combined have almost 20,000 fewer total employees and at year end 2012 the combined operating fleet was 948 (608 at AA and 340 at US). 43 more planes yet about 20,000 fewer employees - today the workforce is necessarily more efficient.
And it might seem, fewer total Aircraft flying arround these days Industry wide!
 
It could very well turn out to be the same old AA acquistion/buyout history. Take TWA...we took on their employees, debt, planes, and routes, and in a matter of years what happened? By 2007, ALL their planes were gone with the exception of the MD-80's, the STL hub, and all it's routes for all intents and purposes, was gone. Who knows how many former TWA employees were gone. The MCI maintenance base was gone as a result of getting rid of all their aircraft. What's left? Other than the small amount talented employees AA did retain, not much.

Reno Air? We had a few of their white painted MD-80's around for a few months, but then they disappeared. The "hub" in Reno didn't last long either, with of course, their employees. Anyone remember the OKC/LAS routes to name a few?

AirCal? Other than retaining their employees, I don't know. Was the SJC hub part of that buyout? If it was, it's no longer with us.

Granted, the AirCal and Reno deals were small potatoes compared with TWA and USAirways.

AA his a history of buying up the competition and liquidating their assets in the form of employees, aircraft, real estate, and routes, etc. So, what's going to happen now? Gosh, who knows? Since it's a merger, and not a buyout, maybe much of USAirways assets will survive. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that a number of AA's assets will be liquidated in the long term. Commercial aviation, much like many other industries, are ever-evolving, so it's going to be an interesting ride folks. It's going to be an interesting 3-5 years.
 
The big difference between then and now is who is going to be guiding the airline. Given that this just about wraps up consolidation, Parker knows that he must grow and expand the operation in order to be on par with UA & DL.
 
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Even more employees in 2001 than that. On June 30, 2001, AA had 96,000 fte plus TWA, LLC had another 19,200 fte for a total of 115,200 employees (not counting Eagle) and the combined fleet was 905. Today, AA and US combined have almost 20,000 fewer total employees and at year end 2012 the combined operating fleet was 948 (608 at AA and 340 at US). 43 more planes yet about 20,000 fewer employees - today the workforce is necessarily more efficient.

Whats the combined revenue? AA alone is up by around $8 billion since 2002
 
Whats the combined revenue? AA alone is up by around $8 billion since 2002

No easy answer to that one becuse there was only one full quarter of revenues that included TWA, LLC prior to September 11, which caused revenues to completely tank, making comparisons less than useful (IMO). Yes, revenues are greatly improved over 2002 and 2003 when the revenues were billions short of covering the expenses. That's like running a race against someone whose legs were just amputated and then bragging about your margin of victory. More useful, IMO, is to compare the revenues from 2001 before the legs were amputated, which I'll do below. It's not exact science, of course, but a reasonable approximation.

That said, the best one, IMO, is to take the first two quarters of 2001 and double them to get a pro forma sense of what the revenues would have likely been but for Osama bin Laden and his friends' effects on revenues.

AA's total revenues for the first six months of 2001, which included TWA revenues from April 10 thru June 30, were $10.343 billion. If we double that, the 2001 revenues should have been at least $20.7 billion. That's a conservative estimate because the first half number didn't include TWA revenues from Jan 1 thru April 9. LLC's revenues from 4/10 thru 6/30 were $671 million, so a fair estimate of the first quarter might be $600 million, and if that is added to the actual $10.343 billion, the first half would have been $10.943 billion and a reasonable estimate of the full year 2001 would be $21.9 billion.

The actual total revenues for 2001, thanks to the terrorists, ended up at $18.963 billion instead of the likely $21.9 billion that those 905 planes and 115,000 employees would have generated. As you pointed out, 2002 was substantially worse since there weren't eight normal revenue months like there had been in 2001 (prior to the terrorist attacks).

2012 total revenues were $24.855 billion, highest in AMR's history, and $3 billion more than the pro-forma estimate of a terrorist-free 2001. And $6 billion higher than the actual terrorist-affected 2001. With just over 600 mainline planes in 2012 instead of just over 900 mainline planes in 2001, the planes and the people certainly brought in more revenue per unit.

As an aside, total fuel cost in 2001 was $2.888 billion, and of course, fuel consumption went down for the last four months of 2001. Continuing with the pro-forma comparison of a hypothetical terrorist-free 2001 with 2012, the 2001 fuel cost would have been approximately $400 million more than the actual result, for a pro-forma 2001 fuel cost of $3.288 billion. 2012 fuel totaled $8.717 billion (on 15% less fuel consumed). So the 2012 revenues are about $3 billion higher than the pro-forma 2001 revenues and the 2012 fuel cost was about $5.4 billion higher than the pro-forma 2001 fuel costs. Unfortunately, employee concessions helped pay the $2.4 billion difference.
 
i think its going to be us buying aa in an all stock deal rather than the other way around
Now that would be buying AA out of bankrupcy, a buyout, not really a "merger"! ------- Now that sounds a little familier, now doesn't it!?