AA encouraging pilots to fly sick & injured
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AA will soon furlough a massive amount of employees. As an incentive not to call in sick or report on-duty injuries, Mr. Arpey, the new CEO, is offering an extra six months of travel privileges to those who don''t call in sick or report injuries.
I''m sure that will make AA''s customers very comfortable knowing that their pilot, flight attendant, or mechanic is doing life and death duty for the airline and may be sick or injured.
It''s unbelievable, but it''s in black and white.
I''m sure that will make AA''s customers very comfortable knowing that their pilot, flight attendant, or mechanic is doing life and death duty for the airline and may be sick or injured.
It''s unbelievable, but it''s in black and white.
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another honorable quote from someone in a honorable profession. Call in sick when you arent sick. It is people like this that the company needs to outright fire
Yes more honorable would be for them to fly sick. Or more honorable would be to ask your employess to take huge concessions while you are padding your pockets.
More honorable would be to access this site while you are at work on company time.
You know your posts really disgust me.
we all know how honorable you are.....been censored lately?
More honorable would be to access this site while you are at work on company time.
You know your posts really disgust me.
we all know how honorable you are.....been censored lately?
Did I miss read the first post? It is my understanding that if you don''t call in sick you get an extra six months of pass privelages - is this incorrect? I mean, if you are not sick, why call in sick? I got stuck in SFO during that bout of SARSFPO (Severe Acute Respitory Syndrome For Pilots Only) a few years ago. Strange how every pilot seemed to have caught the same bug (where was the WHO then?). This is the kind of mentality that ticks off customers (you know, the ones that generate the revenue to keep people in jobs).
NO you did not misread. But stupid as I am, it would probably not occur to me to call in sick. If I am sick though I would not want insult added to injury. But this is the way this company operates. Things will never change, they do not create a positive working environment.
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On 4/26/2003 11:46:13 AM A77IGW wrote:
another honorable quote from someone in a honorable profession. Call in sick when you arent sick. It is people like this that the company needs to outright fire
----------------Let me see, a guy gets a pink slip effective in two months.
In the mean time he is going to operate heavy machinery that is airborne, while he frets about how he is going to pay his new house payment, his old wife’s alimony, his child support, and the medical for his new wife that is pregnant. And what about the vacation home?
[SIZE= 12pt]Yet you would prefer to ride on his plane, rather than have him call in sick? [/SIZE]
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On 4/26/2003 11:46:13 AM A77IGW wrote:
another honorable quote from someone in a honorable profession. Call in sick when you arent sick. It is people like this that the company needs to outright fire
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In the mean time he is going to operate heavy machinery that is airborne, while he frets about how he is going to pay his new house payment, his old wife’s alimony, his child support, and the medical for his new wife that is pregnant. And what about the vacation home?
[SIZE= 12pt]Yet you would prefer to ride on his plane, rather than have him call in sick? [/SIZE]
A777IGW wrote:
"another honorable quote from someone in a honorable profession. Call in sick when you arent sick. It is people like this that the company needs to outright fire"
Who said anything about calling in sick when your NOT sick. Arpey''s new policy makes no distinction. The policy effectively discourages employees from reporting ON-DUTY INJURIES.
This policy is not only abusive and dishonest, but it is likely to result in costly lawsuits to the company. It''s a stretch to call these buffoons managers.
1. How about a pilot who is sick but reports to for duty because he''s afraid to lose the pass privileges?
2. Or reports for duty sick because and needs the passes to go to interviews with other companies or commute to his Air National Guard job so he can support his family?
3. How do you feel about corporate officers that line their pockets secretly while crying crock tears on how the employees must sacrifice to save the company?
"another honorable quote from someone in a honorable profession. Call in sick when you arent sick. It is people like this that the company needs to outright fire"
Who said anything about calling in sick when your NOT sick. Arpey''s new policy makes no distinction. The policy effectively discourages employees from reporting ON-DUTY INJURIES.
This policy is not only abusive and dishonest, but it is likely to result in costly lawsuits to the company. It''s a stretch to call these buffoons managers.
1. How about a pilot who is sick but reports to for duty because he''s afraid to lose the pass privileges?
2. Or reports for duty sick because and needs the passes to go to interviews with other companies or commute to his Air National Guard job so he can support his family?
3. How do you feel about corporate officers that line their pockets secretly while crying crock tears on how the employees must sacrifice to save the company?
This may sound corny and contrived but to all of those who posted after me in reponse to A77IGW, thank you.
After I posted that I was so angry and upset, wondering if I was wrong to feel that way and wrong to post what I did. I am so glad I work with all of you!
After I posted that I was so angry and upset, wondering if I was wrong to feel that way and wrong to post what I did. I am so glad I work with all of you!
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On 4/26/2003 9
26 AM AAStew wrote:
This actually came out last week. People just have to make a decision. Use up your sick bank or keep your passes for an additional six months. If I were being furloughed I would be feeling mighty sick around now.
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My reply was to a flight ettendant who admits that he/she would call in sick even if not sick. It is people like this I said should be fired. I under no circumstances think that anyone should fly if they are actually sick. I think the offer if actually true and not rumor was directed to those people that have the tendancy to pretend sick. AASTEW do not blatently lie and say there are not many of your co workers on the line and in the cockpit that do not abuse the sick policy. I know people that have abused the sick leave and they have been fired. But they dont have a union to defend there sorry good for nothing a++.On 4/26/2003 9
26 AM AAStew wrote:This actually came out last week. People just have to make a decision. Use up your sick bank or keep your passes for an additional six months. If I were being furloughed I would be feeling mighty sick around now.
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On 4/26/2003 2:17:01 PM AAORDPLAT wrote:
This is the kind of mentality that ticks off customers (you know, the ones that generate the revenue to keep people in jobs).
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On 4/26/2003 2:17:01 PM AAORDPLAT wrote:
This is the kind of mentality that ticks off customers (you know, the ones that generate the revenue to keep people in jobs).
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It''s a tough sell, pitching dedication and company loyalty to a disenfranchised workgroup. Those people who genuinely feel they have nothing to lose..genuinely..feel..they have nothing to lose.
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On 4/26/2003 10:25:12 PM Winglet wrote:
Arpey''s new policy makes no distinction.
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First of all, this policy was announced on Monday, April 21, while Don Carty was still in charge, so it is not Arpey''s policy.On 4/26/2003 10:25:12 PM Winglet wrote:
Arpey''s new policy makes no distinction.
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Secondly, qualifying FMLA absences, which also cover legitimate sick time in addition to other leaves, do not disqualify employees from this program.
Yes, this incentive is intended to reduce operational problems by reducing the number of crew members who are using up their accrued sick leave just prior to being laid off. There were major operational problems due to this phenomenon in recent months.
On the other hand, there is no reason to blow this out of proportion.
Just my 2 cents.
P.S. As a registered traveler of a soon to be furloughed employee, I am affected by this policy.
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On 4/26/2003 11:00:28 PM A77IGW wrote:
My reply was to a flight ettendant who admits that he/she would call in sick even if not sick.
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A77IGW,On 4/26/2003 11:00:28 PM A77IGW wrote:
My reply was to a flight ettendant who admits that he/she would call in sick even if not sick.
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Did it ever occur to you that people who are depressed, and most of those who are facing imminent furlough are, have weakened immune systems and are more likely to get sick?
It is also a medical fact that depression causes physical symptoms which qualify as medical illnesses.
Let he who is without sins cast the first stone.
A77IGW,
I do not know who abuses sick leave or not. But let me see here. DC just left the company and he is being given 3 years salary compensation. I have no objection to this.....Flight attendants, pilots, and ground workers are leaving, most will probably not be recalled, most will not be given any compensation, but as an incentive they are being offered 6 months of pass privelages, and in turn they cannot be sick, no injuries on duties, and no late reports. If you do not feel there is just the slightest bit of injustice here, than you must not have feelings.
BTW I did not say YOU posted on company time, but if you feel you must defend yourself.
Also when you were insulting the f/a''s and pilots, no one insulted you back. I do not know what you do for AA, but if you are in any position of authority, I feel for those who work under you.
Keep laughing
STEW
I do not know who abuses sick leave or not. But let me see here. DC just left the company and he is being given 3 years salary compensation. I have no objection to this.....Flight attendants, pilots, and ground workers are leaving, most will probably not be recalled, most will not be given any compensation, but as an incentive they are being offered 6 months of pass privelages, and in turn they cannot be sick, no injuries on duties, and no late reports. If you do not feel there is just the slightest bit of injustice here, than you must not have feelings.
BTW I did not say YOU posted on company time, but if you feel you must defend yourself.
Also when you were insulting the f/a''s and pilots, no one insulted you back. I do not know what you do for AA, but if you are in any position of authority, I feel for those who work under you.
Keep laughing
STEW
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On 4/26/2003 11:48:31 AM AAStew wrote:
Yes more honorable would be for them to fly sick. Or more honorable would be to ask your employess to take huge concessions while you are padding your pockets.
More honorable would be to access this site while you are at work on company time.
You know your posts really disgust me.
we all know how honorable you are.....been censored lately?
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And I have never posted anything on this board on company time. the trouble with you is truth hurts. You dish out alot of crap and I take it in stride. I listen to the source it comes from and laugh it off.On 4/26/2003 11:48:31 AM AAStew wrote:
Yes more honorable would be for them to fly sick. Or more honorable would be to ask your employess to take huge concessions while you are padding your pockets.
More honorable would be to access this site while you are at work on company time.
You know your posts really disgust me.
we all know how honorable you are.....been censored lately?
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