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On 5/15/2003 9:47:02 AM Get Over It Already wrote:
TWU Mechanics are employed more often than AMFA Mechanics.
TWU ADVANTAGE = Our Members Are Employed!

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LESS PAY FOR MORE JOBS?

SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME ARGUEMENT THAT THE...

...NATIONAL RIGHT TO WORK COMMITTEE MAKES!

HOW MUCH IS THE TWU SPENDING IN DUES MONEY TO OVERTURN THAT ISSUE IN OKLAHOMA?
 
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On 5/15/2003 10:25:05 AM Get Over It Already wrote:

AA has 16000 mechanics per you, 3300 out per you = 20% on furlough

NW had 7700 mechanics in Dec, 2200 furloughed not including ATL mechanics who did not move = at least 28% on furlough

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And AMFA at NWA has a pending grievance over the force majeure issue because the reduction percentage outpaced the fleet reductions.

What does TWU at AA have pending for their members?

Answer:

Following the reduction of the above number of employees, the parties agreed to modify the dates of system protection for the remaining employees to the dates indicated below. In addition, the date may be adjusted either backward or forward at the conclusion of the applicable reductions and must be agreed to by both parties.

Title Groups New System Protection Date

Title I and Title III September 24, 1998

_____________________________________________________________________

Tell us wise one, will that new System Protection Date be moved either backward or forward with or without a vote of the members?

Also, after AA gets done with that 3400+ reduction, do the TWA-LLC Mechanics now have "job securtiy"? Or are they to be dispensed with also, while you kneel to the Bus Alter?
 
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On 5/15/2003 9:47:02 AM Get Over It Already wrote:


TWU Mechanics are employed more often than AMFA Mechanics.

TWU ADVANTAGE = Our Members Are Employed!
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Oh really???

Prove that statement with facts:

According to the Aritbration Opinion and Award the Mechanic and Related group at American number was 16,501 covering the seniority integration issue:


[SIZE= 12pt]ARBITRATION OPINION AND AWARD[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]RICHARD R. KASHER, ARBITRATOR[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]APRIL 29, 2002[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]In the Matter of an Arbitration Between[/SIZE]
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[SIZE= 12pt]TRANSPORT WORKERS UNION OF AMERICA[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]And[/SIZE]
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[SIZE= 12pt]INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]MACHINISTS AND AEROSPACE WORKERS[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]And[/SIZE]
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[SIZE= 12pt]AMERICAN AIRLINES[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Involving the Integration of Seniority Lists[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Of the Mechanics and Related Employees,[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Fleet Service Employees, Stock Clerks and[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Flight Simulator Technicians[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]On December 1 2, 2001, the TWU filed an application with the National Mediation[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Board (hereinafter the “NMBâ€￾) seeking a finding of single carrier status of American and[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]TWA-LLC for the crafts and classes of Mechanics and Related Employees, Fleet Service Employees, Dispatchers, Stock Clerks and Stores Employees, instructors, Simulator Technicians and Technical Specialists. (TWU Ex. 5.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
The approximate numbers of employees covered by this seniority integration case are as follows:
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[SIZE= 12pt]Mechanics and Related: AA 13,229, TWA-LLC [/SIZE][SIZE= 12pt]- 3,272[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Fleet Service: AA [/SIZE][SIZE= 12pt]- 13,206, TWA-LLC 3,082[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Stock Clerks: AA [/SIZE][SIZE= 12pt]- 1,382, TWA-LLC 316[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt]Simulator Technicians: AA [/SIZE][SIZE= 12pt]- 108, TWA-LLC - 20[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 12pt](Jt. Ex. 6 at 2; American Airlines Inc/Trans World Airlines, LLC 29 NMB 240 at 245.)
[/SIZE]
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Tell us what the CURRENT -- MECHANIC and RELATED work group size is today? [/SIZE]
 
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On 5/15/2003 10:40:01 AM RV4 wrote:

while you kneel to the Bus Alter?

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al·ter
v. al·tered, al·ter·ing, al·ters
v. tr.
To change or make different; modify: altered my will.
To adjust (a garment) for a better fit.
To castrate or spay (an animal, such as a cat or a dog).

v. intr.
To change or become different.


or did you mean to use

al·tar
n.
An elevated place or structure before which religious ceremonies may be enacted or upon which sacrifices may be offered.
A structure, typically a table, before which the divine offices are recited and upon which the Eucharist is celebrated in Christian churches.
 
NOt that it matters that much, facts being what they are, but while SWA mechanics are represented by AMFA, they are working under a contract that was negotiated by the Teamsters.
 
Attention RV4

If you are so unhappy with the TWu, then why dont you start an information drive to try and get the AMFA as your Union. If they are as good as you say than I am sure it would not be a challenge to overthrow the TWU. I wish you luck.
 
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On 5/15/2003 11:39:54 AM A77IGW wrote:

How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me. and that is with no overtime.

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Too bad that Dave hitched his wagon to the wrong airline.

I hope he at least has been buying stock in WN all along - I sure have.

AA''s mechanics have gone from being really highly paid to just highly paid - no wonder they''re mad.

Wonder why there''s no comparison to USAir''s mechanics or UAL''s mechanics on the comparison chart?? Could it be that those guys took it harder up the aft than the poor TWU at AA??
 
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On 5/15/2003 9:39:00 AM RV4 wrote:


Take a close look at the TWU Strength in Numbers advantage!

http://www.air-mechanic.com/paychart.htm

TWU Mechanics are earning more than $10,000.00 per year LESS than AMFA Mechanics.

TWU ADVANTAGE = The Largest Airline Make the Least!

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How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me. and that is with no overtime.
 
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On 5/15/2003 11:35:20 AM A77IGW wrote:

Attention RV4

If you are so unhappy with the TWu, then why dont you start an information drive to try and get the AMFA as your Union. If they are as good as you say than I am sure it would not be a challenge to overthrow the TWU. I wish you luck.

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Finally you speak something of intelligence instead of emotion.

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On 5/15/2003 1:08:53 PM RV4 wrote:




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On 5/15/2003 11:39:54 AM A77IGW wrote:

How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me.  and that is with no overtime.
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What price do you place on the overhaul of the aircraft you are flying in to assist it in maintaining altitude?

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I dont put any price on it. I think you make an honest living at that wage. And if i was unhappy i would try to get on with an Airline that pays more.
 
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On 5/15/2003 10:46:16 AM Get Over It Already wrote:

you asked me to prove that there was a higher percentage of TWU mechanics employed than AMFA mechanics

someone proves you wrong so instead of admitting you are full of crap you go off on something else

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You're a damn LIAR, I never asked you to prove anything about percentages.

You are making crap up as we go along. Are you a pathological liar, or do you just tell a little fib every now and then?
 
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