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I just read on another board that JetBlue managed to get out 246 JFK flights during the power outage and had to cancel only 22 flights.

Overall, what happened at JFK with AA?

Furthermore, I read that on Friday AA cancelled all of its LAX and LGB flights out of JFK; but B6 operated all of its to LGB.

Any comments from AA people?
 
From a PR Newswire release:

"Despite having only back-up power for the last day at JFK's Terminal 6, the airline managed to operate 246 flights throughout the outage from 4 p.m. Thursday, August 14 through Friday, August 15, cancelling only 22 flights."


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It appears that there is nothing this super little airline can't do.
 
For an airline with only 46 planes, they're runing the piss out of their tin! That's an average of 8 (4 round) trips per plane, provided they are only counting JFK departures.
 
Without power to run the TSA's screen machines, and Sabre idle AA had to scratch most flights.

At Jblu passengers carry mostly ' carry-on ' type baggage which could be
' hand ' searched by TSA personnel.

Since there was no action at Terminals 8&9, TSA personnel were moved to JBLU to make this search go even smoother.
 
As a followup, I have read that B6 was using flashlights, taking pax down the stairs at gates and up steps to the plane door.

I even read they were discharging pax at T-4 (where there was reported to be power). Any truth to that?
 
Operations Return to Normal

By Sunday mid-day, all American and Eagle operations had returned to normal. Over the weekend, you may have heard media reports mentioning that, according to JetBlue sources, that airline cancelled "only 22 of a scheduled 268 flights" while AA cancelled more than 500 flights.

That's true. However, JetBlue's "22 of a scheduled 268 flights" works out to 8.2 percent of their schedule, while American's approximately 520 cancellations of more than 6,600 flights works out to less than 7.8 percent of flights scheduled.
 
Dc10hound said:
Operations Return to Normal

By Sunday mid-day, all American and Eagle operations had returned to normal. Over the weekend, you may have heard media reports mentioning that, according to JetBlue sources, that airline cancelled "only 22 of a scheduled 268 flights" while AA cancelled more than 500 flights.

That's true. However, JetBlue's "22 of a scheduled 268 flights" works out to 8.2 percent of their schedule, while American's approximately 520 cancellations of more than 6,600 flights works out to less than 7.8 percent of flights scheduled.
DC10hound,

The flights being talk about were out of JFK, not wordwide. When the lights went out AA shut down all of their flights out of JFK. At JBLU hundreds of, "crewmembers," ie employees, from all over NYC flocked to JFK to volunteer to help JetBLue keep its operations going. We were all contacted from the command center via e-mail. We worked until 4:30am until all but 2 flights operated !

It was hot, no A/C, so JBLU handed out new T-shirts for everyone to wear to be comfortable in. Everyone chip in to make it work. I could go on & on about how pilots help board flights, F/As help check in, agents helping out at security and lead passengers with flashlights down dark jetways & stairs to their flight. It was really amazing. That is why I hear dozens of times everyday at work from our customers how much, "they LOVE JetBLue." When is the last time anyone heard that said about AA?

Here is an article in the Post about it:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172003/news/...alnews/3350.htm

Airlines9
 
It's only fair to point out that AA employees are capable of rising to the situation as well. I copied the following from another site:

Among the stories that almost didn't get told:

At American's terminals at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, several fleet service clerks -- who primarily handle baggage -- sorted through thousands of bags in limited lighting to find the luggage of dozens of passengers who needed their packed medications.

Also at JFK, four customer service agents -- who traditionally check in passengers at ticket counters and gates -- spent Thursday night and much of Friday with seven unaccompanied minors who were traveling internationally so that their parents and guardians could be assured of their safety.

At New York's LaGuardia airport, a premium services manager -- who usually assists Admirals Club members -- personally drove a pregnant passenger and her husband to a hotel after searching for an available room.

Back at JFK, two customer service agents at Kennedy assisted an elderly woman who suffered an apparent heart attack. The agents laid the woman down on a nonoperating bag belt, called paramedics and calmed the woman's family until help arrived. The passenger is recovering in the hospital.

At Kennedy, American's pilots voluntarily moved aircraft to hangars and parking pads so additional aircraft could be accommodated as flights landed. Mechanics located a 1960s-era generator that they nursed back to health and, after borrowing other generators, got as much power back to as much of American's terminals as possible in the hours after the blackout.

When American decided that it would try to operate four flights out of JFK at about 3 p.m. on Friday, employees at Kennedy, at the Maintenance Operations Control center in Tulsa, Okla., and at the airline's System Operations Control center in Fort Worth, Texas, put together a plan to manually make the process work. This entailed two agents going between the Federal Aviation Administration tower and the terminal to receive faxes with critical operational data. Other agents manually checked passengers in and fleet service clerks sorted through thousands of bags to match them with passengers on the flight. Pilots and flight attendants at the airport voluntarily staffed flights to which they weren't originally assigned.

The airline's partners also rose to the occasion. Transportation Security Administration employees hand-searched passengers and their bags. LSG SkyChefs brought catering to the aircraft. And the local fueling company ensured the aircraft were fueled for departure.

These efforts resulted in American accommodating 857 passengers that otherwise would have been waiting for flights until the next day.

These same kinds of stories played out north of the border as well.

In Canada, American's employees handled two inbound Boeing 747s full of passengers from one of its oneworld partners that had to be diverted because of the power outage. American's people also worked tirelessly to reaccommodate passengers from other airlines who were unable to travel as originally scheduled.

At American's Reservations offices around the country, representatives worked overtime to proactively call passengers advising them of cancellations and delays, to handle thousands of inbound passengers inquiries and to rebook customers on flights operating later in the week. In addition, they assisted passengers with delayed baggage inquiries around the clock.

"These examples represent just a small sample of the spirit our people showed during the blackout," Arpey said.

American Airlines had to cancel a total of 483 flights during the period of Aug. 14 - 16 due to the blackout and its lingering effects. During that period, American continued to operate more than 7,000 flights throughout its worldwide network.

To help accommodate passengers trying to reach their destinations, American has operated 57 extra sections, or additional flights, to key cities since Friday. Additionally, for passengers who chose not to travel on flights that operated to, from or through the affected cities, American is allowing them to change their date of travel once without penalty until Aug. 21, 2003. All affected airports have power today and American's flights are operating as scheduled.

American Airlines is the world's largest carrier. American, American Eagle and the AmericanConnection regional carriers serve nearly 275 cities in 50 countries and territories with approximately 4,300 daily flights. The combined network numbers more than 1,000 aircraft. American's award-winning Web site, AA.com, provides users with easy access to check and book fares, plus personalized news, information and travel offers. American Airlines is a founding member of the oneworld Alliance.
 
BFD, Kirpatrick No Way! Another Website- Yes, the AMR Corp website and its Press Release. The last paragraph gave it away. So it was easy to find.

I won't go into details but the numbers are pure spin. And the we 'give a damn' instances cited are pathetic in the overall picture of the shutdown of JFK. BA seems to have arranged for the LHR flights to go to T-4.

Again - One Word: PATHETIC!
 
Airlines9 said:
At JBLU hundreds of, "crewmembers," ie employees, from all over NYC flocked to JFK to volunteer to help JetBLue keep its operations going. We were all contacted from the command center via e-mail.

That's odd, I live in Queens and had no power,much less an internet connection for 23 hours..tell me how "You were all contacted via e mail" again?



upsilon, Fox Yankee Sierra Hotel Read me there Alpha Hotel?

Take your B6 fetish and Fox Ocean.

Why'd you start this thread if you are going to give a BFD to anyone who dares to point out anything positive about the way we handled the situation?

Oh wait, silly me...the big bad Sky Nazis aren't capable of that are we?

Again,Fox Yankee.
 
I think everyone has to also remember that it wasn't just about JFK or New York, but as much if not more about all the flights around the country bound for JFK and the east coast that were cancelled. The various ariports around the country, and their respective airline's employees were saddled with thousands of passengers who became stranded when their flights to the east coast were cancelled. At times, things got just as ugly at other airports as they did at JFK. Ever see hundreds and hundreds of New Yorkers at MIA or PBI when their flights to New York get cancelled? It's not pretty, and they aren't nice. I still chuckle when I see New Yorkers congratulating themselves for their "good behavior" during the black out. Like one needs to be congratulated for not looting, raping, murdering, robbing, etc.

Many of those other airport employees were stuck dealing with disgruntled New York bound passengers for days after flights returned to "normal" and I've seen times when dealing with disgruntled New Yorkers certainly deserves no less than combat pay.
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