AA to start DFW to Beijing

[MetalMover]

Starts May 7

 

[robbedagain]

uh oh MetalMover  Now we will hear soo many diatribes about how useless this route is all bec it is not that one certain

 

[MetalMover]

uh oh MetalMover  Now we will hear soo many diatribes about how useless this route is all bec it is not that one certain

Oh yea.....Might as well give it up before it begins.

 

[robbedagain]

might as well bro  and theyre going to use a 777-200

 

[WorldTraveler]

Outstanding and congrats to AA whose future to Asia is clearly from DFW

 

[MetalMover]

Outstanding and congrats to AA whose future to Asia is clearly from DFW

That is until DL files a lawsuit.

 

[jcw]

Now we make back handed complements because an airline wants to link a hub to Asia
 
I guess no other airline has flights to Asia other than west coast cities

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Outstanding and congrats to AA whose future to Asia is clearly from DFW

 
Translation:  I hate you AA and am so afraid that I pray you won't fly to Asia from anywhere but DFW.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Translation:  I hate you AA and am so afraid that I pray you won't fly to Asia from anywhere but DFW.

no, it just means that AA has demonstrated it is capable of developing a strong gateway to Asia from DFW.

they have yet to do that from any of their other gateways to Asia.

take what works and run with it instead of trying to push ideas that have continued to fail.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

no, it just means that AA has demonstrated it is capable of developing a strong gateway to Asia from DFW.

they have yet to do that from any of their other gateways to Asia.

take what works and run with it instead of trying to push ideas that have continued to fail.

 
How is DL doing on SEA-HND?

 

[eolesen]

How is DL doing on SEA-HND?

 
Oh, are they still flying that?....
 

Translation:  I hate you AA and am so afraid that I pray you won't fly to Asia from anywhere but DFW.

LOL. If you look at UA's approach, they are flying to China from ORD, SFO, DCA, LAX, EWR, and GUM. They seem to be doing OK by spreading out their frequencies across multiple gateways, so why wouldn't that approach work for AA or even DL? They didn't have to develop those gateways -- they just naturally occurred.

 

[FWAAA]

I've said it before, I predicted failure for DFW-HKG and DFW-PVG, and it looks like I was wrong. Of course, I was predicting failure when fuel was more than $3/gal and there didn't seem to be any reasons on the horizon (that I recognized) for the price of fuel to collapse by the end of 2014. Nobody knows if it will remain at today's bargain prices, but long-haul routes just got a LOT cheaper to operate.

If fuel stays around a buck fifty a gallon for a while, I fully expect DL to consider more Asian flights from ATL besides NRT. If it works for AA at DFW, I don't see why it wouldn't work from ATL.

And, if fuel prices stay relatively cheap for a while, does that new SEA mega-Asia hub make as much sense as it did when fuel was more than double today's spot prices? DL was trading O&D for lower operating cost due to the shorter stage lengths. Might turn out that at cheaper fuel prices, DL doesn't try to convince so many people that a stop at SEA is the best thing ever between the USA and Asia.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Oh, are they still flying that?....
 

LOL. If you look at UA's approach, they are flying to China from ORD, SFO, DCA, LAX, EWR, and GUM. They seem to be doing OK by spreading out their frequencies across multiple gateways, so why wouldn't that approach work for AA or even DL? They didn't have to develop those gateways -- they just naturally occurred.

 
 
PIT-HND????
 
:LOL:  :LOL:   :LOL:

 

[WorldTraveler]

low fuel and a hedging gain (or lack of a loss) along with no profit sharing is a financial advantage for AA.

but remember that even on an operational basis (and we will find out Tuesday) AA is not outperforming DL or UA on an operational basis... which means that it is just fuel hedges and profit sharing that separate the big 3.


every new route makes more sense in a low fuel environment than it did a year ago, including DFW-Asia.

but DFW-Asia will also require that AA carry passengers over more miles to serve much of the US.

and AA still has to round out its TPAC network for now by serving ORD - which does logically make sense but compete against UA - and LAX where AA faces stiff competition from a host of US and foreign carriers.

DFW's geography won't change - and it will require AA to burn more fuel and incur higher costs for the vast majority of passengers that AA will connect over DFW compared to what other carriers spend to connect Asia passengers over more northerly hubs.

people generally don't care where they connect if they have to as long as it is fast. DL is adding a boat load of SEA service and doing it successfully but DL isn't trying to make SEA its only gateway to Asia. DTW will play a major role in serving the east and LAX will also be part of DL's western US to Asia strategy.

AA will make DFW work.... we have yet to see that it is making a difference on the rest of AA's TPAC network or that AA can successfully compete with a DFW gateway compared to others which are more "on the way"

still, AA's performance on DFW-Asia is better than AA has seen on its TPAC network. It is hard to imagine, though, that there are many more routes that AA can make work from DFW to Asia.

 

[jcw]

This thread is about PEK service from DFW and we are now back to profit sharing
 
It's hard to believe that someone might want to fly to NGO, TPE, Chengdu, etc
 
Plenty of opportunity to grow from multiple hubs