Aa's Road To Profits

[DFWCC]

Something is funny here.
SW has the highest percentage of unionized workforce and have continously made money since the Wright brothers. Maybe... Just maybe if AA can outsorce management we can return to land of bonus cheques.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

You are a genius

Now why hasnt The Board of Directionlessness thought of this :blink:

 

[eolesen]

It's called the point of diminishing returns...

Maybe if we were the size of WN we'd be profitable, too.

 

[coolflyingfool]

I believe that some of it has to do with how your assets are used. Flying in and out of LAS a lot, I know that AA parks a B757 about 5pm for the night. That plane could generate more revenue by doing a run to DFW or ORD, even SJC. AA is paying for that plane, so use it one more time each day and make more money. If this were done in 10 cities each day, that would add up. I know it is a very simple plan and more goes in to it that just this, but just trying to show you how to do more with less. Just my thoughts......

 

[goingboeing]

It's called the point of diminishing returns...

Maybe if we were the size of WN we'd be profitable, too.

[post="263028"][/post]​

Yeah,if we weren't so top heavy with management positions we might actually make a profit.
AA has supervisors supervising the supervisors and managers managing the managers.

Fleet size is not what affects profitability,but how efficient the management and the people are who are running the airline.
SWA is not a little airline as they operate over 400 aircraft.

 

[Hopeful]

The funny thing about AMR management is that they love to compare the workers salary and benefits and productivivty with that of other airlines' workers. Namely the low cost ones.

But AMR never compares its management structure with that of the low cost carriers.

 

[mike7867]

Yeah,if we weren't so top heavy with management positions we might actually make a profit.
AA has supervisors supervising the supervisors and managers managing the managers.

Fleet size is not what affects profitability,but how efficient the management and the people are who are running the airline.
SWA is not a little airline as they operate over 400 aircraft.

[post="263212"][/post]​

your right about being top heavy with mangement. when i was laid off out of st.louis alittle over a year ago. there was close to two hundred mech laid off out of st.louis. we went from close to 50 gates to somewhere around 10. but for some reason, not one supervisor got laid off. hmmm go figure

 

[Connected1]

Does anybody have the ratio of management to non-management employees for AA and other airlines, or is actual data not allowed on threads like this?

I'm selling tin foil hats if anybody needs a spare.

 

[Skyyggoddess]

...when i was laid off out of st.louis alittle over a year ago. there was close to two hundred mech laid off out of st.louis. we went from close to 50 gates to somewhere around 10. but for some reason, not one supervisor got laid off. hmmm go figure

[post="263226"][/post]​

What happened to "Fair Shared Sacrifice?"
I can not wait for justice to happen. I know that for many, there will never be justice. It is too late and too many lives have been ruined. But, I believe many people, who have been a part of this injustice that has almost leveled our company, will pay. I am hopeful that those at the highest level will be held responsible.

 

[AAmech]

I believe that some of it has to do with how your assets are used. Flying in and out of LAS a lot, I know that AA parks a B757 about 5pm for the night. That plane could generate more revenue by doing a run to DFW or ORD, even SJC. AA is paying for that plane, so use it one more time each day and make more money. If this were done in 10 cities each day, that would add up. I know it is a very simple plan and more goes in to it that just this, but just trying to show you how to do more with less. Just my thoughts......

[post="263036"][/post]​

Can't speak about that particular 757 in LAS but a while back some data was published when AA changed to the WN style "flowing Hub" that showed AA's aircraft useage was now actually exceeding WN's! I'd be interested in seeing some new info on that subject.

 

[eolesen]

Can't speak to workgroup specifics (which for some reason a few people on this board can't seem to get beyond), but at a macro level, the last time I saw numbers for senior managers to employees, AA ws already lower than WN.

Not all management positions are tied to the number of aircraft, i.e. if you have 100 aircraft or 1000, you'll still just have one VP of Sales, one VP of Finance, etc.

 

[enough already]

Can't speak to workgroup specifics (which for some reason a few people on this board can't seem to get beyond), but at a macro level, the last time I saw numbers for senior managers to employees, AA ws already lower than WN.

Not all management positions are tied to the number of aircraft, i.e. if you have 100 aircraft or 1000, you'll still just have one VP of Sales, one VP of Finance, etc.

[post="263738"][/post]​

Why doesn't it surprise me that you would know more about management than workgroups? 😛h34r:

 

[eolesen]

Why doesn't it surprise me that you would know more about management than workgroups? 😛h34r:

[post="263913"][/post]​

Nice try.... What I was inferring that I don't know what the ratio of mechanics to supervisors or pilots to supervisors is at other airlines. It's not something that anyone from outside world would bother focusing on.

 

[JFK777]

coolflyingfool,

I don't know how many 757 AA parks in Las Vegas at 5pm but on the east coast, in Miami, many 757's are taking high paying passenger on their trips to Latin American cities as far south as Lima. In the usual night rotation of 757's to places like Lima, Quito, Guayquil, Cali, Medellin, Bogota, Caracas, Santa Cruz, Barbados and others. These 757's leave Miami as the sun does down, fly 3-6 hours, and come back the next morning for a days work in the USA. The nightly trips are to cities with high fares, Business Class demand, and keep the 757's utilized from 6-12 hours. And the cities they serve don't have that low fare airline problem.

 

[scorpion]

It's called the point of diminishing returns...

Maybe if we were the size of WN we'd be profitable, too.

[post="263028"][/post]​

I guess fuel hedging has no accountability in the size factor? I really don't think size matters when you are paying 75% more for your fuel. AA and its dream union the twu put an article out about the number of vice presidents now compared to 1995 (if I remember right). We supposedly have less now but this doesn't really answer the management ratio question.