Abject Surrender In Dead Of Night

[Freedom4all]

On the 70th anniversary of the Russian invasion Poland the Obama administration celebrated by throwing Poland under the bus.

Obama feeds allies to the Bear
New York Post September 18, 2009

STILL determined to “push the reset button with Russia,†President Obama hit the delete key on our allies in Eastern Europe.

Obama’s decision to abandon missile defense as we know it, cutting the throats of Poland and the Czech Republic, handed Moscow’s hard-liners their biggest win since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Remember how then candidate Obama said we need not fear his foreign policy views because he had people like Indiana Senator Dick Lugar by his side? Here’s what Sen. Lugar had to say about this decision:

Sen. Richard Lugar (Ind.), the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, said the calls to Polish and Czech leaders came “in the middle of the night†and could endanger foreign countries’ support for the U.S. effort in Afghanistan.“To do this kind of action without any more notification than that is certainly not a confidence-builder,†Lugar said.

and naturally Poland is not happy...

WARSAW, Poland – Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.

"Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back," the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.

Polish President Lech Kaczynski said he was concerned that Obama's new strategy leaves Poland in a dangerous "gray zone" between Western Europe and the old Soviet sphere.

and from all accounts, this gesture goes unrewarded as it return the USA gets NOTHING IN RETURN. Unless you count GE. Once the White House announced they were axing the shield, Russia's government said PM Vladimir Putin would meet several U.S. executives today from firms including General Electric, Morgan Stanley, and TPG- one of the world's largest private equity firms

General Electric may be the company with the closest ties to the Obama administration (if not Goldman Sachs), and here we see the company benefiting from an sudden foreign policy change implemented by Barack Obama.

GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC- you figure it out.

This will surely be Obama's Haliburton.

Will the Obama-Putin Act go down in history as the post-modern Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
Dear Poland, Happy Soviet Invasion Day. Love, Uncle Sam

 

[tech2101]

On the 70th anniversary of the Russian invasion Poland the Obama administration celebrated...Dear Poland, Happy Soviet Invasion Day. Love, Uncle Sam

Oh the drama of it all. My polish Grandfather at 99 is cursing Obama right now...

To the substance;

This is an interesting move.

I do not think this is a bad move. It may appear that way on the surface to the Neocons and the pretend hawks.

This could prove to be a very beneficial move on our part.

Of course, this would never have happened if the Iranian Supreme Leadership had tossed Amedinijhad. With their support, the strategy for the West had to change. The article I posted says there is no Quid pro quo, but of course, that is exactly what is happening. Our hand was much larger than theirs on this. We can dump this program and still maintain the same defense with shipboard systems.

An interview today with Leslie H. Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations and former editor and columnist for The New York Times:

SIEGEL: In fact, the anti-missile system that the U.S. is now going to look to could actually be a good deal closer to Iran than this system in Eastern Europe that…

Mr. GELB: There's no question about it. And the fact of the matter is the Shipboard Missile Defenses are probably the best anti-missile system we have today. So, if there should be the development of medium or short-range Iranian missiles aimed at the Middle East this would be a better system to protect them.

Obama denies 'quid pro quo' with Russia on Iran


There will definitely be a quid pro quo. The timing of this is excellent.

"Now I hope the situation is different," Medvedev added. "But no one is linking these issues to some kind of trade-offs, particularly on the Iranian issue. We are already working in close contact with our U.S. counterparts on the Iranian nuclear issue."

Obama and Medvedev are expected to meet at the G-20 economic summit of advanced and developing nations in London next month.The administration has previously hinted that the policy on the missile defense shield that former president George W. Bush fiercely advocated was open to reassessment.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking at a news conference in Jerusalem while on a Mideast tour, said that "we are at the beginning of the engagement with Russia on behalf of this new government."

"We have a very broad agenda also, what we have said specifically in regard to missile defense in Europe is that it has always been intended to deter any missiles that might come from Iran," she said.

Some Russia analysts expressed the view that the time is right to try striking a deal.

"This notion of pressing the reset button on U.S.-Russia relations is something the Obama administration is taking quite seriously," said Andrew Kuchins, director of the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Relations are now at the lowest point in probably 20 years."

 

[Freedom4all]

Oh the drama of it all. My polish Grandfather at 99 is cursing Obama right now...

To the substance;

This is an interesting move.

I do not think this is a bad move. It may appear that way on the surface to the Neocons and the pretend hawks.

This could prove to be a very beneficial move on our part.

Of course, this would never have happened if the Iranian Supreme Leadership had tossed Amedinijhad. With their support, the strategy for the West had to change. The article I posted says there is no Quid pro quo, but of course, that is exactly what is happening. Our hand was much larger than theirs on this. We can dump this program and still maintain the same defense with shipboard systems.

An interview today with Leslie H. Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations and former editor and columnist for The New York Times:


Obama denies 'quid pro quo' with Russia on Iran


There will definitely be a quid pro quo. The timing of this is excellent.

What incentive does Russia have to do anything favorable? Not only did Obama give up his cards, he gave up the table and the whole casino. They now know that Obama is a push over, he caved and theres no reason for Russia to do anything except push Obama out of the way as being totally irrelevant. Just because Obama is being a master of appeasement, don't mistake Russia will do the same.

 

[Freedom4all]

Look at Obamas last G20 experience. He came bearing a basketful of mea culpas. With varying degrees of directness or obliqueness, Obama indicted his own people for arrogance, for dismissiveness and derisiveness, for genocide, for torture, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo and for insufficient respect for the Muslim world.

And what did he get for this obsessive denigration of his own country? He wanted more NATO combat troops in Afghanistan to match the surge of 17,000 Americans. He was rudely rebuffed.

He wanted more stimulus spending from Europe. He got nothing.

From Russia, he got no help on Iran.

From China, he got the blocking of any action on North Korea.

And what did he get for Guantanamo? France, pop. 64 million, will take one prisoner. One!

The Austrians said they would take none. As Interior Minister Maria Fekter explained with impeccable Germanic logic, if they’re not dangerous, why not just keep them in America?

When Austria is mocking you, you’re having a bad week. Yet who can blame Minister Maria Fekter, considering the disdain Obama showed his own country while on foreign soil, acting the philosopher-king who hovers above the fray mediating between his renegade homeland and an otherwise warm and welcoming world?

 

[tech2101]

With varying degrees of directness or obliqueness, Obama indicted his own people for arrogance, for dismissiveness and derisiveness, for genocide, for torture, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo and for insufficient respect for the Muslim world.

And what did he get for this obsessive denigration of his own country? He wanted more NATO combat troops in Afghanistan to match the surge of 17,000 Americans. He was rudely rebuffed.

He wanted more stimulus spending from Europe. He got nothing.

From Russia, he got no help on Iran.

From China, he got the blocking of any action on North Korea.

And what did he get for Guantanamo? France, pop. 64 million, will take one prisoner. One!

The Austrians said they would take none. As Interior Minister Maria Fekter explained with impeccable Germanic logic, if they’re not dangerous, why not just keep them in America?

When Austria is mocking you, you’re having a bad week. Yet who can blame Minister Maria Fekter, considering the disdain Obama showed his own country while on foreign soil, acting the philosopher-king who hovers above the fray mediating between his renegade homeland and an otherwise warm and welcoming world?

And the price of tea in China is what now?

...and when you are disturbed by something your President is doing, all is well in the USA.

 

[Freedom4all]

And the price of tea in China is what now?

...and when you are disturbed by something your President is doing, all is well in the USA.

Relevance counselor, you dont recall his last G20 failure? You really think he will fair better this time or was your reference just fluff and filler as usual?

Obama and Medvedev are expected to meet at the G-20 economic summit of advanced and developing nations in London next month.The administration has previously hinted that the policy on the missile defense shield that former president George W. Bush fiercely advocated was open to reassessment.

 

[tech2101]

Relevance counselor, you dont recall his last G20 failure? You really think he will fair better this time or was your reference just fluff and filler as usual?

Obama and Medvedev are expected to meet at the G-20 economic summit of advanced and developing nations in London next month.The administration has previously hinted that the policy on the missile defense shield that former president George W. Bush fiercely advocated was open to reassessment.

Can we get a Hoorah? <_<

 

[Freedom4all]

Can we get a Hoorah? <_<

Sure hope you don't plan to cross examine that way in the real world. May not want to give up your day job.

 

[Freedom4all]

Washington Times Poll:

Obama is abandoning plans for a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe in favor of more flexibility to respond to Iran's threats. Do you agree?

Response Percent Votes
Yes 6% 1536 votes
No 88% 20279 votes
Undecided 3% 775 votes
Other 0% 219 votes
22809 total votes

Poll found HERE

 

[southwind]

Wo cares what us Tea-bage..............err, "VOTING-CITIZENS" have to say, at least until next year !

 

[tech2101]

Wo cares what us Tea-bage..............err, "VOTING-CITIZENS" have to say, at least until next year !

Did you just say that you are a Tea-bagger voting citizen?

 

[Garfield1966]

The first bombing of the towers was in 1993 and we were not attacked again till 2001. Did Clinton keep us safe from other attacks? Reagan was in office when 283 marines were killed in Lebanon. If I am not mistaken we pulled out shortly there after did we not? Then there were the campaign battles in Panama and Grenada. I am sure our children will be speaking proudly of those battles for eons.

You can no more link Bush to the lack of attacks than you can to the rising of the sun each day. There are numerous other explanations for the lack of attacks on US soil the least of which there is no need. Between Bush and Obama we have placed our selves into a massive national debt. We have lost our standing in the world community and we have made our selves out to be fools in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why should they attack us when we have shot our self in the foot so many times?

BTW, there have been no nuclear attacks since WWII, who is responsible for that? The simple fact remains is that the only thing we know about why there have been no attacks is because there have been no attacks.

It does strike me as odd that the Republicans do not have any successful campaigns to reference either especially for all their bellicose talking. Reagan missed Kadafi, Clinton missed OBL. Reagan did not deal with Lebanon (let Israel do our dirty work). Nixon continues the failed policies of LBJ in Vietnam.

 

[delldude]

Ahh..Gar....Clinton killed an empty tent in Afghanistan and blew the smithereens out of an aspirin factory....

It does strike me as odd that the Republicans do not have any successful campaigns to reference either especially for all their bellicose talking.

Grenada?

Just cause?

Desert Shield?

Desert Storm?

 

[Garfield1966]

Ahh..Gar....Clinton killed an empty tent in Afghanistan and blew the smithereens out of an aspirin factory....



Grenada?

Just cause?

Desert Shield?

Desert Storm?

As I recall, Reagan hit Libya and missed as well? So what?

Presidents authorize an attack suggested and planned by the military. The success or failure of the operation depends on the inteligence and execution of the forces sent. Clinton is no more responsible for the aspirin factory than Reagan was for the hospital (IIRC) in Grenada or Carter was for the fiasco in Iran.

Grenada? Really? You want to include that as things to be proud of? A boy Scout troop could have gone in and conquered Grenada.

Panama? See above

The first Gulf war was a relative success combat wise although had the conservative republicans had it their way, Bush would have gone all the way and it would have been a cluster phuck of massive proportions as we have to day.

I would argue that the failures Iraq II and Afghanistan are just as enlightening about republican warfare as are the success.

 

[Freedom4all]