Amfa Allows Outsourcing To Continue

[Checking it Out]

Oh where? Oh where is amfa Today? Oh thats right they outsource their functions to the McCormick group!!!

Alaska Airlines Awards AAR Exclusive Maintenance Support Contract
Friday January 9, 9:01 am ET


WOOD DALE, Ill., Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AAR (NYSE: AIR - News) announced today that Alaska Airlines has selected AAR to be the sole external provider of heavy-maintenance services for its MD80 aircraft. This five-year exclusive contract extends an original one-year support agreement awarded to AAR in 2002.

For the past year, AAR has supplemented Alaska Airlines maintenance operations by performing a variety of heavy maintenance services. The contract is a continuation of this strategy and will help enable Alaska Airlines to keep pace with it's recently announced increase in passenger traffic. Under the terms of the agreement, AAR will perform heavy maintenance functions such as letter checks, modifications, aircraft upgrades and exterior and interior refurbishment services on select Alaska Airlines narrow-body aircraft through its Oklahoma-based Aircraft Services division.

''Our team is proud and excited that Alaska Airlines has extended their contract for five more years,'' said Don Ward, President and General Manager of AAR Aircraft Services. ''We've clearly demonstrated that we add strategic value to their maintenance program. We're honored to partner with a world- class company like Alaska Airlines and we look forward to helping them maintain their fleet and grow their business.''

AAR Aircraft Services is a world-class provider of aircraft maintenance, modification and refurbishment services designed to help its customers compete in today's changing airline environment by lowering their operating costs, improving reliability and ensuring passenger safety. AAR provides both heavy and line maintenance, aircraft refurbishment, modifications and upgrades to the world's leading operators of major, regional, cargo and military fleets. Its facility in Oklahoma City, Okla., has more than 300,000 square feet in seven hangers to support five narrow-body maintenance lines, as well as regional aircraft.

With a fleet of 109 aircraft, Alaska Airlines is the nation's ninth- largest carrier. Alaska Airlines is recognized for providing a superior level of customer service and pioneering technologies that improve on-time performance and expand safety margins.

AAR is the leading provider of aftermarket support to the worldwide aviation/aerospace industry. Products and services include customized inventory management and logistics programs encompassing supply, repair and manufacture of spare parts and systems. Headquartered in Wood Dale, Ill., AAR serves commercial and government aircraft fleet operators and independent service customers throughout the world. Further information can be found at www.aarcorp.com .

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

If I remember correctly, It was the IAM that allowed the farmouts at ALASKA. This was one of the reasons the mechanics at ALASKA threw out the IAM and brought in AMFA.

 

[James T. Kirk]

If I remember correctly, It was the IAM that allowed the farmouts at ALASKA. This was one of the reasons the mechanics at ALASKA threw out the IAM and brought in AMFA.

So Judy at is true you do have a memory problem! The Oakland was closed under amfa watch, and Alaska Airlines just signed with AAR to have their 737's overhauled.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! NO INTELLEGENT LIFE ON PLANET TWU!

Wrong airline CAPTAIN KIRK! It was UNITED that closed their OAKLAND base. The IAM gave that away too! Alaska consolidated their maintenance bases in 2001 in OAKLAND. At that time they had a fleet of 88 aircraft,now ,from what I have read ,they have 109 aircraft. The AAR deal handles aircraft that they can't handle.
Not to many airlines are building maintenance bases at this point in time I'm afraid.
AA is also contracting with AAR for MD-80's. Seems that we can't handle that work at this time. Yeah right! We have people on the street in TULSA and the TWU can't get those people back to work these MD-80's.

 

[Buck]

CIO:

Isn't true that American Airlines is a customer of AAR?

 

[My World]

"BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! NO INTELLEGENT LIFE ON PLANET TWU!"

What planet you from, PLUTO? h34r:

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey CIO;

Those AA mechanics over in England, you know the ones that did not give any concessions and top out at around the equivelent of $90,000-US are they considered "outsourced"? I dont think so, neither are the AA mechanics in South America or the Carribean. Yet all of these non-union non contract workers are doing our job.

Tell me how are all the other jobs that used to be ours figured in?

They are not?

So the hundreds of maint jobs that went to Fleet service and the dozens of stations that once had A&Ps, that no longer have them are not considered outsourced? Thats not even counting the thousands of A&Ps who have had to accept the OSM classification, doing mechanics work, with the same liability but at less than mechanics rates.

Isnt it true that as far as A&P mechanics AA has the lowest percentage of stations staffed with A&P mechanics? Sure they may have TWU there, but no TWU A&Ps. They used to, but the TWU gave that away in 1983!

Isnt it true that as far as permanently eliminating A&P jobs, one of the top paying jobs that the TWU represents, that the TWU has been leading for over 20 years? (1983-2004)

Isnt it true that with the recent changes at other airlines brought on though recesion, bankruptcy and competition from AA they are simply catching up to AA as far as lowering their ratio of highly paid A&Ps vs fleet size and ASMs? Other airlines had to bankrupt to get the concessions that the TWU gave up over 20 years ago from their unions. So even the IAM, which has been booted out by AMFA did a better job than the TWU.

Isnt it true that the TWU has once again set the new standard by being the only union on the airport where only 5 holidays are recognized as paid Holidays and on top of that the company has the option of making members work the holiday for half pay? Even non-union Delta gets the equivelent of Double time, (like the non-union AA mechanics in England and AA management).

Isnt it true that TWU represented workers with less than five years have the least amount of paid vacation? Less than most non-union companies?

Isnt it true that the TWU represented flight attendants have a 17 year progression to top pay, which when they get there is one of the lowest in the industry?

Isnt it true the the TWU gave AMR Eagle a 12 year contract?

Isnt it true that the TWU used the exact same arguements for all their concessionary contracts over at Pan Am that they are using now at AA? Did it help them?

Isnt it true that Industry experts cite the TWU as a "docile" union? Isnt docile another word for submissive? Do we really need representation if that representation is submissive? Couldnt we be just as effectively "submissive" individually without giving up two hours pay per month? Dont people join unions to give them strength, so they do not have to be submissive?

How much did the company ask us for? How much did we give? How did our two hours per month help us?

If the company got all they wanted, including layoffs, then how did all the "concessions" save jobs? The truth is the company laid off as much as they wanted to. Our submissive union did nothing to save those who were laid off did they? In fact they rolled back the system protection date to 1998 so the company could lay them off.

So they laid off as many as they wanted and took as much money and benifits as they wanted. It seems that AA gets to do whatever it wants with the TWU. So why do we need them? Non-union Delta beats us and they dont pay dues!

Over 8600 in our Title group want the opportunity to vote out the TWU!

 

[Checking it Out]

Alaska closed the seatle base and moved the work to California, only problem it effected about 200 mechanics who did not move with the work.

As for AAR they are return leases and the leasor had the juristiction of where the work is to be done.

I do know of some of these in the past where their has been field trips to work on damage that was the responsibilty of AA. That was a few years ago. i also know that the local is keeping a close watch and has eyes looking from the inside.

Bob you keep harping on workers over seas, what does your local President have to say?

We are fighting to preserve work while amfa is allowing it to continue. they made no effort to stop the signing of this contract at AAR. That shows they are managements best friend. The biggest help to management at breaking Unions. What a record to be proud of.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob you keep harping on workers over seas, what does your local President have to say?

Doesnt this come under the Internationals jurisdiction? When we lost work (A300 interior checks) our President at the time, Bobby Gless refused to pursue it, he has since been rewarded with an International position.



We are fighting to preserve work while amfa is allowing it to continue.



Do you know the difference between fighting and surrendering? The TWU surrendered. They did not defend the contract, they gave the company everything they wanted, nearly everything that the company threatened it would seek in bankruptcy.

they made no effort to stop the signing of this contract at AAR.

And what did the TWU do to stop the AA 727s that went to Delta or all the work going to Tank Tigers, Rockwell Collins, Matsushita or Fleet Service? How come we are the biggest airline, with the most airplanes yet we have a higher perentage of stations that are not staffed with TWU represented A&P mechanics?


That shows they are managements best friend. The biggest help to management at breaking Unions. What a record to be proud of.

Come on now. If AMFA was managements best friend then wouldnt the company be tripping over itself to help to get AMFA in? How come at every airline both the union in place and the company have tried to keep AMFA out by including non-represented workers in the vote?

How come AA loves the TWU so much? Because the only thing better than no union for a company is a sweetheart union. As far as "busting unions", why does management try to "bust" unions? So they can get rid of workers? NO. So they can pay their workers whatever they want and do whatever they want. Isnt that pretty much the way it is here? The only difference between having a "busted" union and the TWU is that we pay dues.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

CIO,

Where was the TWU when they shutdown or reduced AUSTIN,ST. LOUIS, HARTFORD, NASHVILLE, RALEIGH-DURHAM,SAN JOSE,SAN JUAN,etc. during the 1990's? Using your logic with ALASKA. When they opened AFW in 1991, didn't that cause jobs in TULSA to be eliminated when the layoffs hit in 93,94? How come the mighty TWU didn't stop that CIO? SPIN and SIN, SPIN and SIN, that's all you know CIO! CIO do you know where your toolbox is? You better find it ,because your not gonna be in power much longer!

 

[scorpion]

Come on now. If AMFA was managements best friend then wouldnt the company be tripping over itself to help to get AMFA in? How come at every airline both the union in place and the company have tried to keep AMFA out by including non-represented workers in the vote?

Bob out of all the post I've ever read on this forum this one question (which is more of a statement because it will never get answered) says it all!!!

cio
you made the coment about how long its been since Delle has worked on an aircraft. I put the question to you a while back, I asked if you worked on aircraft, or components an if you had an A+P. You never answered the question. Whys that????

 

[TWU informer]

Hey CIO,

When AMFA took over at Alaska, there were 899 Eligible Voters in the Mechanic and Related Craft or Class.

See NMB Case:
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter199...998/25n318.html

Today there are 1243 working for Alaska.

If it's all about jobs to you and the TWU, then AMFA is doing better than you.

AMFA has had an increase of 344 at Alaska or 38% Increase in headcount.

What you have to say about that?

TWU Outsourced heavy checks on RENO MD-80's to AAR, and our headcount is down by over 1,000. How about you sweep your own porch before discussing dirt on the porch of others.

 

[Checking it Out]

Alaska has the highest percentage of Farmouts.

Why not state the facts on the Reno Air Airplanes?

How Many Mechanics were lost when the Seatle base was closed at Alaska?

The point still is Amfa does not care about the Heavy Maintenance work and is willing to let it all go? You of all people should be asking why Amfa did nothing to stop this agreement.

Help us all if you ever get in a position to represent anyone. you will be the first to allow unlimited outsourcing at AA.

 

[Boomer]

Who took "care" of the former Reno Aircraft after aquisition by AA and the TWU, was it AAR?

Who does the Maintenance on the 777 seat entertainment on aircraft owned by AA and the TWU?

Who does the audio updates on most of the digital systems on aircraft owned by AA and the TWU?

Who does the power by the hour on the Trent Engines on aircraft owned by AA and the TWU?

Who does the power by the hour on the GE engines on aircraft owned by AA and the TWU?

Who did the audio upgrades to the IFE systems on aircraft owned by AA and the TWU?

According to the British Trade Union Involved with BA, what percentage of the total mx on an aircraft involve ATA Chpt. 25? Is the answer 70%

Of the percentage cited above, what amount is the TWU obligated to contractually give away? Is it 100%

Of the MX covered by power by the hour agreements, how much is subject to joint agreements between AA and an OEM which were not reviewed by ELCLAT and the TWU prior to the concessions agreement "without further ratification"? Is it 100%

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

CIO,

Apparently few, if any, lost employment with the ALASKA realignment. They opened a new intermediate maintenance facility in SEATTLE which took most of the displaced mechanics and opened more line maintenance slots. CIO how can you
slam AMFA at ALASKA when we have TULSA TWU "DIEHARDS" living in their pickup trucks here at AFW? We also have several thousand AA mechanics on the street at this time. You started this thread and your getting your ass kicked on it!
I suggest you QUIT while your behind!