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On 7/24/2003 11:44:24 AM The Ronin wrote:
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On 7/24/2003 7:39:35 AM atabuy wrote:
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On 7/24/2003 5:06:27 AM gatemech wrote:
From what I understand we are looking at about 400 jobs when ramp takes over all the R&D. In reality that isn't too much of a liability on the company. I spoke to a ramper that told me the passenger is going to suffer from ramp doing R&D. They have 4 bodies working an inbound or loading a flight and 2 have to leave to push or park a flight. That slows the time it takes for the baggage to get from A/C to passenger. Also where are the saving when it takes 3-4 ramp personnel to do R&D and only 1 mechanic?
The issue of R&D became more of a personal issue rather than cost savings.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
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400 x 85,000 = 34 million dollars a year that the airline will save.
That is a hefty chunk of money.
It might take a little time for the ramp to get R&D down, but eventually they will and Ual will save that money. Even if they need to hire a few more rampmen, they can help load the planes before they push back. Unlike mechanics, who do no ramp work.
Adjustments always take a little time.
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For a guy who retired from UAL, you just can't get away from it, can you? Take that and the fact you don't know what the f%$k your talking about and I can see you really must have worked here. Blab, blab, blab. Well according to Creighton, when he was here, he told me an estimated 20 million in savings, supposedly. And according to the IAM, before they left, the number given to them had changed from 400+ to 200+ since most of the major hubs use mechanics to taxi for reposition, not tow. Do I know what the f#$% I'm talking about, maybe, maybe not. This is what I was told from each of these sources. Does the company know what the f#$% it's talking about...I doubt it. But since we have so many experts like Jim here knowing how to RUN such a company efficiently then we all have nothing to worry about. And I don't know where 84k came from unless you are using some of the companies math, we didn't even make that before the company took half our raise back. Now the company says we have a 6% sick rate compared to our OSV 1.5% This means we are at a $5million disadvantage, but I say lets use some of this funny company math...we have 12 negotiated sick days of which most use less than half. If thats the case, then we must be saving the company money! Experts and bean counters, we got plenty. People that know what the f@#$ they're talking about....not many.
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Ronin,
There is an old saying:
It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your thoughts, and erase all doubt.
The 400 R&D estimate I took from gatemech.
The 85,000 I lowered from the 105,000 you use to make with benefits.
If you really knew anything about business or maybe even math, you would understand that the companies cost for each mechanic is more than the base salary, license pay, skill pay, or let's just say gross pay you put down on your income tax.
When you are trying to flame someone, please know what you are talking about.
Yes I am retired from Ual, but it is people like you that make me keep coming back to make sure that you don't take Ual down with idiotic, moronic, positively stupid reasons.
I still depend on medical from Ual, a pension, and flight benefits. In that order.
If you are a mechanic, I question your pompus assumptions and your ability to work on airplanes. You obviously do not have the ability to think on your own.
Think about going back to school. Get a more rounded education.
Think about the whole picture instead of tunnel vision.
Good luck,
