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AMFA Recklessly Enters Retiree Health Care Concessionary Negotiations

UNITED: AMFA Recklessly Enters Retiree Health Care Concessionary Negotiations
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April 22, 2004
Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine, National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
P.O. Box 1221
Laconia , NH 03247-1221
Mr. Tom Mannion
Airline Contract Administration Coordinator
AMFA Local 9
1250 Bayhill Drive Suite 201
San Bruno , CA 94066
Dear Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine and Mr. Tom Mannion:
In a recent e-mail, United’s counsel Marilyn Pearson indicated that only one authorized retiree representative had “commenced substantive bargaining†to change the health benefits of its retirees. After contacting all retiree groups, the Association of Flight Attendants – CWA, AFL-CIO (AFA) has determined that your organization is the one that has decided to start negotiations. This is a strategic mistake that threatens to undercut the position of all the other employees, including the Flight Attendants, in trying to limit or avoid the Company’s proposed cuts to retiree medical benefits.
Each of the other representatives believes that it is premature to begin negotiations before the evaluation provided for under Section 1114 is completed. Their professionals as well as ours – which total three actuarial firms and three financial advisors - are still sifting through the tens of thousands of pages of information United has provided to date. Indeed representatives, as recently as this week, have made requests for additional relevant information that United has yet to provide. Once a full evaluation is concluded, each representative will be able to make a fully informed decision on how to respond to the Company’s proposal.
If it is determined that the Company’s proposed cuts are not necessary, or that they are not fair and equitable, then the Company would not be entitled to force these cuts on the retirees through Section 1114 proceedings. There can be no possible advantage for your members in going forward at this time because the analysis might prove the cuts are not necessary, or not fair and equitable. Negotiating with the Company before that analysis is complete is counterproductive. Agreeing to substantive changes without that analysis would be reckless.
In light of this massive and continuing analytical effort, AFA is concerned that the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Organization (AMFA) may already have offered the Company concessions that are neither necessary nor fair and equitable. Obviously, your organization, having not performed the requisite evaluation, is least equipped to engage in “substantive bargainingâ€.
Rather than unwittingly and prematurely agreeing to benefit changes that United will undoubtedly claim have precedential effect, we urge AMFA to proceed with caution and to undertake the same analytical effort that each of the other retiree representatives has determined is essential to protecting the welfare of their retirees.
Sincerely,
Greg Davidowitch, President
United Master Executive Council

Concessionary? unwarrented concessions? I thought Amfa does not do this?
 
Checking it Out said:
AMFA Recklessly Enters Retiree Health Care Concessionary Negotiations

UNITED: AMFA Recklessly Enters Retiree Health Care Concessionary Negotiations
Download Adobe Version
April 22, 2004
Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine, National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
P.O. Box 1221
Laconia , NH 03247-1221
Mr. Tom Mannion
Airline Contract Administration Coordinator
AMFA Local 9
1250 Bayhill Drive Suite 201
San Bruno , CA 94066
Dear Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine and Mr. Tom Mannion:
In a recent e-mail, United’s counsel Marilyn Pearson indicated that only one authorized retiree representative had “commenced substantive bargaining” to change the health benefits of its retirees. After contacting all retiree groups, the Association of Flight Attendants – CWA, AFL-CIO (AFA) has determined that your organization is the one that has decided to start negotiations. This is a strategic mistake that threatens to undercut the position of all the other employees, including the Flight Attendants, in trying to limit or avoid the Company’s proposed cuts to retiree medical benefits.
Each of the other representatives believes that it is premature to begin negotiations before the evaluation provided for under Section 1114 is completed. Their professionals as well as ours – which total three actuarial firms and three financial advisors - are still sifting through the tens of thousands of pages of information United has provided to date. Indeed representatives, as recently as this week, have made requests for additional relevant information that United has yet to provide. Once a full evaluation is concluded, each representative will be able to make a fully informed decision on how to respond to the Company’s proposal.
If it is determined that the Company’s proposed cuts are not necessary, or that they are not fair and equitable, then the Company would not be entitled to force these cuts on the retirees through Section 1114 proceedings. There can be no possible advantage for your members in going forward at this time because the analysis might prove the cuts are not necessary, or not fair and equitable. Negotiating with the Company before that analysis is complete is counterproductive. Agreeing to substantive changes without that analysis would be reckless.
In light of this massive and continuing analytical effort, AFA is concerned that the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Organization (AMFA) may already have offered the Company concessions that are neither necessary nor fair and equitable. Obviously, your organization, having not performed the requisite evaluation, is least equipped to engage in “substantive bargaining”.
Rather than unwittingly and prematurely agreeing to benefit changes that United will undoubtedly claim have precedential effect, we urge AMFA to proceed with caution and to undertake the same analytical effort that each of the other retiree representatives has determined is essential to protecting the welfare of their retirees.
Sincerely,
Greg Davidowitch, President
United Master Executive Council

Concessionary? unwarrented concessions? I thought Amfa does not do this?
Wouldn't it be much easier to ask AMFA as opposed to making determinations or judgements that may prove inaccurate in the end?

regards,
 
Tim Nelson said:
Wouldn't it be much easier to ask AMFA as opposed to making determinations or judgements that may prove inaccurate in the end?

regards,
LMAO Sorry but only the afl-cio industrial unions in the Mechanics Craft and Class their retirees take concessions without some sort of snap back plan. Keep your eyes peeled and watch how professionals take care of business, maybe the twu and other afl-cio unions can learn something!!!
 
Rusty said:
LMAO Sorry but only the afl-cio industrial unions in the Mechanics Craft and Class their retirees take concessions without some sort of snap back plan. Keep your eyes peeled and watch how professionals take care of business, maybe the twu and other afl-cio unions can learn something!!!
The UAL retirees shouldn't even be put into this situation. But NO, amfa's stance is BK is a better alternative. . . .straight out of Delle's mouth.


THANKS AGAIN DELLE!!!!!
 
twuer said:
The UAL retirees shouldn't even be put into this situation. But NO, amfa's stance is BK is a better alternative. . . .straight out of Delle's mouth.


THANKS AGAIN DELLE!!!!!
LMFAO Had AMFA not entered into discussions the afl-cio would have said they don't care about the retirees. We know your spin master games and lies is and is also one of the biggest reasons myself and many others can't stand your candy arses.

Incumbent union, your fired!!!
 
twuer said:
The UAL retirees shouldn't even be put into this situation. But NO, amfa's stance is BK is a better alternative. . . .straight out of Delle's mouth.


THANKS AGAIN DELLE!!!!!
After reading your post once more, it really doesn't even make any sense twuer. You are saying AMFA is going to give concessions to stave off bankruptcy out of one side of your mouth but, the other side is saying AMFA doesn't do concessions therefore bankruptcy is immanent. The truth is they are only in talks. My gut feeling is AMFA will get them something better than they currently have.

One more thing twuer, you say and I quote "BK is a better alternative. . . .straight out of Delle's mouth"

When are you going to stop lying about what Delle said and quote him???
 

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