An Injustice To Our Past

Ken MacTiernan

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Aug 12, 2003
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Hello,

I am writing to you today to inform you of an injustice to those who
unselfishly spent their careers forging aviation's future. This future would
lead aviation onto many breath taking achievements. The injustice I am
speaking about is the placing of a Space Shuttle model in front of the
Portal of Folded Wings which is a "Shrine to Aviation". It is also on the
National Register of Historic Places by the U. S. Department of Interior.
This Portal is also the resting place for Charles E. Taylor, aviation's
first Aircraft Mechanic. Mr. Taylor is surrounded by other pioneers of
aviation, all of whom deserve the respect their careers have earned them.
The model of the Space Shuttle was placed where a rose garden once
welcomed visitors to the Portal. The below e-mail is from Giacinta Bradley
Koontz, aviation historian and was also the Director of The Portal. Her
request is not a monumental task, nor is it cost prohibitive. She is simply
asking for the model to be placed elsewhere. I have attached my letter
voicing the Aircraft Maintenance Technicians Association's request to have
the owners and manager of the cemetery to listen to Gia's concern; reinstate
the rose garden and remove the Space Shuttle model and place it some place
else.
I know it seems as if there is always a matter of importance that
warrants letters to be written and it can be "burdensome". But that is why
they are important. The men and women resting underneath this beautiful
building can not write letters on their own behalf. It is up to us, the
living, to make sure we not only "Remember the Past" but to also respect it.
I would therefore like to ask that everyone reading this e-mail to either
write or call the contacts for the Manager and owner of the cemetery listed
on the attached "shuttleportal.doc". Thank you for any support that you can
lend. Sincerely, Kenneth MacTiernan Director AMTA









> Dear Friends,
>
> I need your help to convince the owners of the Portal that the majority of
> us wish to move the shuttle model elsewhere so that the original view to
> the structure is restored. The Portal is a "Shrine to Aviation," so named
> by its founders in 1953. It is not a "Shrine to Space."
>
> On July 5, 2007, I wrote a lengthy and reasonable request to the
> management of PB Valhalla to relocate the shuttle elsewhere in the park.
> I sited many reasons and suggested locations including that which would
> make the shuttle a separate and distinctive monument to the Space Age
> instead of adding it to the existing Portal site. Their response came by
> email, and I followed up with a telephone conversation with the park
> manager, Mr. Jorge Ferriera.
>
> SCI (the parent corporation) and PB Valhalla have admitted they acted
> without consideration for public opinion so that they could quickly take
> the unsightly model off the landscape, which had been laying in pieces on
> the ground for months. The new manager had no knowledge of the Portal's
> past, nor did he seek professional recommendations. Rather, they acted
> upon the sole request of a few people, with a personal agenda.
>
> The cemetery's manager replied that they refuse to relocate the shuttle
> model.
>
> However, I believe that they will comply and move the shuttle elsewhere if
> they receive requests other than my own.
>
> I encourage you to forward this email to your friends and associates.
>
> If you have any credentials such as experience in museum display, as a
> professional historian, or architect, or if you have a family member
> buried there as I do , or if you in any way have strong personal feelings
> about this (aesthetic or historic) please add your own remarks to the
> attached messages to SCI and PB Valhalla. Their contact information
> included is (both snail mail and email).
>
> I can't do this alone - I've tried! But I won't give up. I'm sending a
> Press Release to the local papers and hope to raise community interest, if
> not political pressure!
>
> If you have not seen the Portal in person, you can view its intended and
> original front view on my web site: www.portalofthefoldedwings.com or
> www.harrietquimby.org (menu option "NRHP")
>
> Help!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Clear skies,
> Gia
> Attached: Portal photos: 2007 (with shuttle)
> Shuttle at Portal (YOUR request letter)
>

SCI Corporation
Phil Jackson, Sr. VP and Director of Marketing
1929 Allen Parkway
Houston TX 77219
(713) 525-9739
e-mail [email protected]


Jorge Ferrier, General Manager
Pierce Brothers Valhalla
10621 Victory Blvd.
North Hollywood CA 91606
(800) 762-7200
(818) 763-9121



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Pictures?

I have photos of the Space Shuttle model in front of the Portal but they are too big to attach here. I am in the process of creating a link on the AMTA web site with photos and info. If you go to Pierce Brothers Valhalla on the internet you can read more on Charles E. Taylor and the other pioneers in aviation who are buried there.
 
Pictures?

old picture
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new are attached below
 

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Great injustice? You must be kidding. A great injustice is a child going with out food, a cop killer getting away, a single mother not being able to get affordable child care so she can go to work. You need to get your priorites straight.

It's the space shuttle for crying out loud. It's one of the most advanced flying machines on the face of the planet. Launched like a rocket and it re-enters like an air plane. Seems lie a "aviation shrine" is the perfect place.

Good grief.
 
"Wholly chittt", the AMTA director bitching because someone has placed a replica of the shuttle showing the advancements of flight. As well as give tribute to those who made the dream obtainable. It must be the position of the AMTA director that Charlie never had any aspirations of surpassing the ceiling.

What an idiot......... :blink:
 
It's the space shuttle for crying out loud. It's one of the most advanced flying machines on the face of the planet. Launched like a rocket and it re-enters like an air plane. Seems lie a "aviation shrine" is the perfect place.

Good grief.

Perhaps not an injustice, as you posit. Would travesty do? Abomination?

It would appear that you have sensitivity for neither airplanes nor architecture. That building and the people it honors deserve an airplane from a similar era. It would please the eye and the soul. The space shuttle does neither.

Ken, there is a program that you can download to resize .jpg images in IE. I forgot the name of it, but it is free online.
 
Perhaps not an injustice, as you posit. Would travesty do? Abomination?

It would appear that you have sensitivity for neither airplanes nor architecture. That building and the people it honors deserve an airplane from a similar era. It would please the eye and the soul. The space shuttle does neither.

Ken, there is a program that you can download to resize .jpg images in IE. I forgot the name of it, but it is free online.

You don't get it do you. It went from a plan on a piece of paper, to a material object that has exceeded elements thought to not be obtainable in the era of the pioneer's of flight. I look at it as a great honor to their foresight.
 
Perhaps not an injustice, as you posit. Would travesty do? Abomination?

It would appear that you have sensitivity for neither airplanes nor architecture. That building and the people it honors deserve an airplane from a similar era. It would please the eye and the soul. The space shuttle does neither.

Ken, there is a program that you can download to resize .jpg images in IE. I forgot the name of it, but it is free online.


Neither. The shuttle shows how far we have come, not where we have been much less the stagnation that you seem to want to portray. No, a travesty is a murderer going free because he was able to afford really good lawyers, an abomination would be that person writing a book about it afterward. This topic might qualify as silly, pointless, embarrassing.
 
Neither. The shuttle shows how far we have come, not where we have been much less the stagnation that you seem to want to portray. No, a travesty is a murderer going free because he was able to afford really good lawyers, an abomination would be that person writing a book about it afterward. This topic might qualify as silly, pointless, embarrassing.

Slow day, huh?

History does not translate to stagnation. History involves studying and honoring the past. And learning from it. The time period of the edifice discussed has already been laid out and accepted. The space shuttle is an incongruity. It does not fit. "If it don't fit, you must get rid of it". (Sorry, Johnny.) There. I put it in a criminal trial issue context for you. :)

Your preoccupation with criminal issues is curious. But, certainly, not "silly, pointless or embarrassing." Nope. No Way. Not at all.

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Would you feel differently if it were a model of the Concorde or an SR-71? Or should it be a DC-3?...

Considering the two catastrophic shuttle accidents, and the fact that they too were aerospace pioneers, it seems somewhat appropriate to have it there as a memorial. Aviation didn't come to an end in 1956...
 
Would you feel differently if it were a model of the Concorde or an SR-71? Or should it be a DC-3?...

As much as I loved the DC3in both military and civilian situations, it is still too new to be part of a memorial to pioneers of aviation. Let's review our copies of Airplanes of the World, by Douglas Rolfe and Alexis starts-with-D-ends-in-off and see what we can agree on. The early edition will be sufficient. No, don't run out and buy one, but if you are ever in a bookstore or library, give it a browse. Lots of wonderful line drawings with great info for each plane. Every old airplane enthusiast should have a copy. I used to build stick and tissue rubber-powered models from the drawings in the 50s.

Aviation didn't come to an end in 1956...

No, but by then the age of the pioneers of aviation had passed.
 
I was just thinking it would have been neat had they put the write flyer in back and the Shuttle in front.


Don’t like legal examples, travesty would be the fact that the levies were known to be weak and nothing was done to fix them, an abomination was the neglect and incompetence that was evident by the way in which the aftermath was handled. Then there is the issue of a Space Shuttle model in front of a memorial. Do you see the difference now? One involves human suffering the other ... who the hell knows? The horror. Life must surely not be worth living with such a "Great Injustice".
 

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