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On 1/8/2003 5:24:28 PM Busdrvr wrote:
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On 1/8/2003 4:24:24 PM UnitedChicago wrote:
Strike that!
Meant to ask...how much more will UA pilots make compared to AA pilots after the 29% cut?
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To put it bluntly, the F/A is simply incorrect. Carty made that statement concerning the previous 18% paycut the pilots were going to take. The new numbers put the pilots at UAL well below AMR's CURRENT rates. Keep in mind AMR's APA rejected an offer of payrates HIGHER than UAL and DAL's about 18 months ago, and the current expired AMR pilot contract was not real popular even when it passed (strike and PEB). Unfortunately, UAL's contract will be used against the AMR pilot group. Sorry.
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I dont think that the APA would appreciate being called "AMR's APA". The APA is an independant Union that does a good job representing its members (although hundreds of former ALPA members from TWA may disagree, many of them have refused to join the APA, now they are non-union, shows how strong their unionism is). If you are an ALPA member perhaps you could enlighten us to why ALPA reportedly has vetoed the APA's attempts to join the AFL-CIO? Is Duane Worth intent on expanding his own empire or promoting more solidarity within your craft? Or does he feel that solidarity can only be acheived by the APA's submission to him? I beleive that the 1997 APA negotiations were sabotaged by ALPA who wanted to rub it in the APA's face that they did not have as much political clout as they had due to affiliation. It seems that empire building is more important to the ALPA than the craft.(After all doesnt ALPA represent some of the lowest paid Union pilots in the industry?) If the AFL-CIO can have dozens of other overlapping unions then why cant they have two pilots unions? Hell, the AFL-CIO even welcomed in a new Air Traffic Controllers union, the replacement for PATCO, (ALPA helped kill PATCO, so much for offering their fellow AFL-CIO members support). Maybe if the ALPA welcomed the APA it could facilitate better relations and lead to a merger between the two unions. After meeting some ALPA reps and some APA reps I must say that I was more impressed with the caliber of the APA reps. Then again, maybe that veto was a blessing.
I wish my coworkers who are APA members the best of luck in their negotiations. You guys are the best in the industry and you deserve the best pay.