Are AA Labor wages competitive?

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Mechanic wages: Approximate 01/01/2003
Base/Lic./Longevity/Graveyard shift/year 6
AA = $34.86 (our contract)
LUV = $36.43 (teamsters magazine)
 
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On 1/30/2003 8:51:30 PM eolesen wrote:

Are AA's workrules competitive?
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Different thread Eric. I just want to know if the company wants to compete head to head, if the labor rates in each respective workgroup is competitive. If you expect competitive work rules than wages must follow correct? Work rules, wages, same types of aircraft and service?

So Flight Attendants, are your wages competitive with LUV? and Pilots, what about you?
 

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Actually, EO asked a valid question. Productivity is not just a matter of hourly wages. In terms of productivity SWA does not compete with AA. Unless you consider clubbing baby seals to be competition.
 

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On 1/30/2003 8:51:30 PM eolesen wrote:

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No, but the liability of our job is no different. We screw up, we pay the price.
That is where you compare salaries based on the same job discription.
 
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NO EO did not have a valid question considering the topic. As I mentioned, this could be discussed in another thread and most likely already has. I just want to know airline for airline, Workgroup for workgroup what the wages are.
 

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If this is the issue, why is it not on the floor instead of the March 3% raise?

My work area is over manned right now and has been for nearly 9 months. Management knows this and does nothing. Is this a way to create a productivity problem before we address the issue?
 

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Keep in mind when Carty asked the unions to forego their 3% wage increase, he said it ONLY amounted to $130,000,000.00 dollars. ONLY! So at $5 million a day loss that AA is experiencing, this keeps AA out of the bankruptcy court only another 26 days.
Let's suppose we all forego the 3% increase, bankruptcy is still inevitable unless AA changes its business model.
 

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For starters, SWA contracts out all major overhaul work whereas AA operates 3 major overhaul facilities. Salaries at SWA will soon exceed those at AA in the maintenance department. SWA uses essentially line maintenance mechanics and do not staff all stations where they operate. Of course, this is a contractual issue this is on the company's hit list, similar to what United wants from its maintenance department.
 

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Anyone care to list the work rule differences between AA and SWA? Are the productivity differences due to union contracts, or does the SWA management team just know how to use their workforce and contracts more efficiently?
 

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12 year scale.

777 Capt DL ($292), AA ($228), UA ($205), CO ($204)

757 Capt DL ($245), AA ($195), NW ($192),CO ($178), UA ($174)

A-320/737 800 Capt, DL ($234), AA ($185), NW ($185), CO ($178-same as 757), UA ($165)

First Officer
B-777, DL ($199), NW ($160-747), AA ($156), UA ($140), CO ($139)

B-757, DL ($167), NW ($135), AA ($133), CO ($122), UA ($118)

A-320/737-800, DL ($126), NW ($130), AA ($126), CO ($122), UA ($113)
 

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On 1/31/2003 9:28:06 AM Hopeful wrote:

For starters, SWA contracts out all major overhaul work whereas AA operates 3 major overhaul facilities. Salaries at SWA will soon exceed those at AA in the maintenance department. SWA uses essentially line maintenance mechanics and do not staff all stations where they operate. Of course, this is a contractual issue this is on the company's hit list, similar to what United wants from its maintenance department.
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Doesn't AA also pay their workers at the overhaul facilities less than the line mechanics? I've always wondered what SWA's overhaul costs were compared to the majors. It also seems that SWA doesn't go as cheap (I.E. lowest bidder)on outside overhaul as when the majors farm out their own overhaul work looking for the most bean-counter friendly number, rather than an operationally friendly overhaul service.
 

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On 1/31/2003 10:22:28 AM kiowa wrote:

12 year scale.

777 Capt DL ($292), AA ($228), UA ($205), CO ($204)

757 Capt DL ($245), AA ($195), NW ($192),CO ($178), UA ($174)

A-320/737 800 Capt, DL ($234), AA ($185), NW ($185), CO ($178-same as 757), UA ($165)

First Officer
B-777, DL ($199), NW ($160-747), AA ($156), UA ($140), CO ($139)

B-757, DL ($167), NW ($135), AA ($133), CO ($122), UA ($118)

A-320/737-800, DL ($126), NW ($130), AA ($126), CO ($122), UA ($113)

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Delta 12 Year 737-800 FO pay is 160.45.
 

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On 1/31/2003 9:28:06 AM Hopeful wrote:

For starters, SWA contracts out all major overhaul work whereas AA operates 3 major overhaul facilities. Salaries at SWA will soon exceed those at AA in the maintenance department. SWA uses essentially line maintenance mechanics and do not staff all stations where they operate. Of course, this is a contractual issue this is on the company's hit list, similar to what United wants from its maintenance department.
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Common misconception. SWA does do a portion of their Heavy maint at their maint hangers in DAL, HOU and PHX. Last I heard they were actually up to doing phased "D" Checks. They use Cascade in Canada (where they make out great with the currency exchange) and Goodrich in Washington to do the rest. All engine overhaul is farmed out.
 
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On 1/31/2003 10:22:28 AM kiowa wrote:

12 year scale.

777 Capt DL ($292), AA ($228), UA ($205), CO ($204)

757 Capt DL ($245), AA ($195), NW ($192),CO ($178), UA ($174)

A-320/737 800 Capt, DL ($234), AA ($185), NW ($185), CO ($178-same as 757), UA ($165)

First Officer
B-777, DL ($199), NW ($160-747), AA ($156), UA ($140), CO ($139)

B-757, DL ($167), NW ($135), AA ($133), CO ($122), UA ($118)

A-320/737-800, DL ($126), NW ($130), AA ($126), CO ($122), UA ($113)

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Thank Kiowa and AA80Driver for understanding the topic.

Now that this thread has been tainted, lets just see where it goes.