bad air?

[Iclubbabyseals]

PHL-SJU is the only place east flies

Never said that. Didn't mean to mislead, but, it seems 737 really has very little idea about what they post.

To get back to topic:

Kirby on the latest FA "crew propaganda and BS" talk made some very misleading statements in his attempts to downplay the problem, citing some "expert" who characterizes the toxicity of tcp, only one of the toxins involved, as comparable to table sugar, which, considering the apples to oranges comparison indicates to me that the "expert" is only expert at sucking money while representing the interests of whomever hires him. Interestingly, he did not give out the expert's name. Does anyone know it?

Kirby went on to describe how the indicator of toxicity never increased on those people tested after an event, when, in fact, the indicator decreases for several days, then, hopefully, returns to normal levels, potentially followed by symptoms like quivering extremities and balance problems in the following weeks. One test is meaningless. A series of blood tests must be run over the following days before one can determine whether the event was significant to the person's body.

If you are interested, contact Judith Murawski <judith@afaseattle.org>. Right now they feel they are in the same starting position as those who started to work to bring the cancerous effects of asbestos fibers to the attention of the world. They know it is bad, there are several companies holding off producing filters that would provide adequate filtration of bleed air unless companies start installing them (only by, I suspect, governmental regulation) and educating everyone involved is, IMHO, a commendable way to begin.

There was just concluded a seminar about this at Cranfield University in the UK. I hope to get some information soon.

I understand the 787 does not use engine bleed air at all. Perhaps, for "efficiencies" but that would promise to eliminate at least that one major source of contamination.

Tempe seems to like to "manage" through fear and intimidation, ignoring facts as long as they can. It only works for a few years, then it usually back fires in a big way. I don't hope to change the way those particular pathological malcontents do business, it is all they know. I do hope we can dump those freaks before they do something that will kill the company.

 

[luvn737s]

Clubby seems to forget that the same bleed air pressurization system has been used for decades with no one complaining of shaking their extremities or FA's-only rides to the hospital in order to garner attention and maybe some negotiating leverage. Ask all the Regional pilots who spend plenty of hours exposed to the same "threat" from their bleed air pressurization systems, yet seem to soldier on.

Maybe your shaking extremities comes from some other latent cause. Look into it and let us know.

And keep you eyes peeled for a place to set 'er down and start pouring the potable water.

Joker!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Never said that. Didn't mean to mislead, but, it seems 737 really has very little idea about what they post.

"Most of the flights the east does have no reasonable diversion airports other than their destinations."

That's wrong even for your one example (which certainly isn't "most" east flights) - every flight has at least two diversion points - the departure and destination airports. Even PHL-SJU is closer to the coastal airports than SJU until south of the NC coast, and that's on a great circle route and not the AR's. In short, I can't think of a single east operated flight that only has it departure and arrival airports to land at.

If you've got a valid point to make, exaggerating it out of recognition isn't necessary.

Jim

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

"Most of the flights the east does have no reasonable diversion airports other than their destinations."

Reasonable means many things, hospital facilities being only one. Disease control availability is another, something this particular company is really crappy about.

While there might seem numerous opportunities to divert from say, PHL-AUA, in fact, I would be leery of taking an air contamination problem into Provençals or even GTK. Would you like to try out the facilities in Santo Domingo? Be my guest and good luck.

My point is that hospital facilities and disease control would be assumed in FAT or Yuma, but Nassau or St. Thomas might be another situation.

To you I apologize for my loose verbiage. I would prefer the facilities at SJU or even SJO over, say, Havana or even Cancun.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Point accepted, but "most of the flights the east does" is a big a stretch, especially when you complete omit the mainland departure airport. How many non-TA flights are closer to mainland U.S. airports than offshore destinations for at least part of the flight? Even TA flights have the large airports between CLT/PHL and BOS on this end and most have major European city airports short of the destination on the other end.

What it really amounts to is that a relatively few east operated flights only have the destination once far enough offshore, and the destination isn't necessarily suitable for all situations that could occur. Heck, I'd consider Havana for a toxic fumes event where passengers and crew were showing obvious signs of physical distress - they're reported to have very good medical care. It'd be a very expensive diversion but in an emergency ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

Jim