Bombardier Suspends Production Of Crj200s

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Bombardier Aerospace Will Temporarily Suspend Production Of Its 50-Passenger CRJ200 Regional Jet

Montréal, October 28, 2005

Bombardier announced today that, as of mid-January 2006, it will temporarily suspend the production of its CRJ200 aircraft to realign its production to the current market outlook for 50-seat regional jets. Production of the Challenger 850 business aircraft, the corporate variant of the CRJ200, will continue on the existing assembly line. No word about suspension of the dash-8 fleet.
 
Bombardier Aerospace Will Temporarily Suspend Production Of Its 50-Passenger CRJ200 Regional Jet

Montréal, October 28, 2005

Bombardier announced today that, as of mid-January 2006, it will temporarily suspend the production of its CRJ200 aircraft to realign its production to the current market outlook for 50-seat regional jets. Production of the Challenger 850 business aircraft, the corporate variant of the CRJ200, will continue on the existing assembly line. No word about suspension of the dash-8 fleet.


Who cares about the Dash 8 production?
 
Who cares about the Dash 8 production?
Well, Horizon must care.

Toronto, October 19, 2005

Contract converts seven existing CRJ700 orders; adds five additional Q400 firm orders.

Bombardier Aerospace announced today that Seattle, Washington-based Horizon Air has signed a contract to acquire 12 Q400 turboprop airliners. The transaction includes the conversion to Q400 aircraft of seven firm orders currently held by Horizon Air for the CRJ700 regional jet, plus five incremental orders for the Q400 turboprop.
 
First of all, the decision to stop building CRJ-200's is wise, as there is about to be a glut of them on the used aircraft market. They just cost too much on a seat mile basis.

Now regarding the Q400, it makes perfect sense. It's fast, efficient, and if the Q system is left intact, quieter than the jets. The noise canceling is really amazing. And it's a 70 seater with much lower seat mile costs. On short segments it has no speed penalty when compared to RJ's.

I'd honestly like to see more Q400's here in the states. The only competition it has is the ATR72, which is still around.
 
Well, Horizon must care.

Toronto, October 19, 2005

Contract converts seven existing CRJ700 orders; adds five additional Q400 firm orders.

Bombardier Aerospace announced today that Seattle, Washington-based Horizon Air has signed a contract to acquire 12 Q400 turboprop airliners. The transaction includes the conversion to Q400 aircraft of seven firm orders currently held by Horizon Air for the CRJ700 regional jet, plus five incremental orders for the Q400 turboprop.


Exactly. Who cares?
 
What in the hell were we thinking anyway when Group ordered those CRJ-200's for PSA!! Day late and a dollar short. Last time I deadheaded on one, I could have sworn it has less leg room then a dash 8, and I couldn't even look out the window without crampin my neck. Half of these 50 RJ's will be in the desert in 10 years. And the 20 year old Dash's at PDT will still be truckin along. Now that has gotta make you laugh!!!
PSA shoulda got all the 700/900 RJ's! While PDT took on the Q400's and more 300's!! That would have been a good mix of regional aircraft to power the feed for US Airways.
 
First of all, the decision to stop building CRJ-200's is wise, as there is about to be a glut of them on the used aircraft market. They just cost too much on a seat mile basis.

Now regarding the Q400, it makes perfect sense. It's fast, efficient, and if the Q system is left intact, quieter than the jets. The noise canceling is really amazing. And it's a 70 seater with much lower seat mile costs. On short segments it has no speed penalty when compared to RJ's.

I'd honestly like to see more Q400's here in the states. The only competition it has is the ATR72, which is still around.
I would think that maybe the ATR 42 would also be a competitor wouldnt it? Also I would like to see the DASH-8-400Q in US EXPRESS colors--the new colors
 
What in the hell were we thinking anyway when Group ordered those CRJ-200's for PSA!! Day late and a dollar short. Last time I deadheaded on one, I could have sworn it has less leg room then a dash 8, and I couldn't even look out the window without crampin my neck. Half of these 50 RJ's will be in the desert in 10 years. And the 20 year old Dash's at PDT will still be truckin along. Now that has gotta make you laugh!!!
PSA shoulda got all the 700/900 RJ's! While PDT took on the Q400's and more 300's!! That would have been a good mix of regional aircraft to power the feed for US Airways.
I agree it looks like the same old company. Wait for everyone else to do it then do it two years later. PSA has announced that it will return 10 crj200 and no word on replacing them. Anyone have any info??????
 
I agree it looks like the same old company. Wait for everyone else to do it then do it two years later. PSA has announced that it will return 10 crj200 and no word on replacing them. Anyone have any info??????
ALPA mainline will allow them to be replace with outsource CRJ900 86 seats A/C
 
ALPA mainline will allow them to be replace with outsource CRJ900 86 seats A/C
Ive heard from pilots that were getting more 700 and son 900 but thats here say. I think that we still might et sold to air wisc. I think Doug Parker has bigger problems then to deal with are poorly run operations
 
Ive heard from pilots that were getting more 700 and son 900 but thats here say. I think that we still might et sold to air wisc. I think Doug Parker has bigger problems then to deal with are poorly run operations


PSA isnt for sure returning 10 200s. They have the option to do so up to 6 months after exiting bankruptcy. If they do it, it will have to be announced very soon.
 
The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements with ALPA will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers except that for every two (2) aircraft in excess of the combined 360 aircraft (excluding EMB 190 aircraft) operated at both US Airways and America West, that are added to revenue service in the mainline fleet, the Company may allow three (3) additional CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at Express carriers.
----- CRJ900–Bombardier’s newest and largest version of the immensely successful CRJ family of regional jets drew its first sale in some two years in late January, when Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group agreed on a still-undefined mix of 20 CRJ700s/CRJ900s for its America West Express network. By early last month Mesa had taken 15 of the 86-seat airplanes claimed in earlier orders, but remained the only customer for a program Bombardier executives once advertised as a solid bridge between existing 70-seat RJs and the emerging class of narrowbodies poised to compete for the bottom of the mainline market. Still, nearly four years after the program’s launch at the 2000 Farnborough Air Show, the firm order tally showed just 25 airplanes, leaving many wondering whether the “sweet spot†about which they talked had turned sour before its time.Introduced on the strength of a launch order for 10 airplanes from leasing giant GECAS, the CRJ900 drew its first airline customer in March 2001, when Mesa signed a letter of intent that included a firm order for 20 of the 86-seat jets and an option for another 20. Once its own prospects for placing the airplanes disintegrated, however, GECAS canceled its order. Mesa subsequently converted firm orders for five CRJ700s to a follow-on order for five CRJ900s, bringing the program total to 25.Mesa placed the first aircraft–dressed in America West Express livery and configured in a two-class, 80-seat cabin layout– into service on a route between Los Angeles and Phoenix late last April. A year later, the Phoenix-based airline remains one of the last major carriers in the U.S. whose regional affiliates enjoy unfettered access to regional jets certified to carry more than 70 passengers. Despite widespread relaxation of limits on 50- and 70-seat jets at regional affiliates, the manufacturers’ early projections of more lenient capacity restrictions have yet to materialize, a fact that remains perhaps the CRJ900’s biggest obstacle.Such constraints again revealed their disruptive potential last July, when union pressure compelled US Airways to convert a firm order for 25 Bombardier CRJ705s to positions for 70-seat CRJ700s. Scheduled originally for first delivery to wholly owned US Airways subsidiary PSA Airlines early this year, the CRJ705–a planned 75-seat, 82,500-pound mtow version of the CRJ900–exceeds the 75,000-pound mtow, 70-seat limits imposed on US Airways regional affiliates by the mainline pilots’ union scope clause. Although it agreed to an exemption for the Embraer 170 and 175, ALPA’s US Airways division refused to grant further concessions for the Bombardier jet.More recently, Air Canada told representatives from its mainline pilot union that it might replace half a proposed order for 30 CRJ705s with 15 Embraer 170s or 175s. In December Air Canada split a commitment for 90 airplanes between the two manufacturers, but ongoing negotiations over regional-mainline flying rights led the bankrupt airline to reconsider the planned fleet mix to place the Embraer jets with the mainline. It would then convert the remaining CRJ705 positions to an order for 15 CRJ700s, all of which it would assign to wholly owned regional subsidiary Air Canada Jazz.Meanwhile, in Europe, where scope clauses present virtually none of the market constraints they do in the U.S., the CRJ900 has faced an even tougher sell, drawing just a single firm order from France’s Brit Air for four airplanes, only to see it canceled a few months later.Of course, when Bombardier introduced the CRJ900, no one could have predicted the economic upheaval 9/11 would eventually produce, and the severe interruption in the flow of financing for new airplanes in virtually every seat class. Although its commonality attributes appeal most to regional airlines already flying CRJs, the 86-seat jet might have also filled a role at the lowest end of the single-aisle mainline range, surmised Bombardier. It has failed to deliver on that promise, however, as rival Embraer prepares to fill its first order from the emerging low-fare niche with the larger, 98-seat Embraer 190.The CRJ900 reached the market some two years before the scheduled first delivery of the 78- to 86-seat Embraer 175, its closest competitor in terms of seating capacity and weight. Embraer promotes the 175’s more spacious cabin and baggage capacity as vital attributes for the longer routes it believes airplanes in that seat class will serve. Nevertheless, a tentative launch order from India’s Jet Airways fizzled last year, leaving Embraer with only a tentative commitment from US Airways to convert some positions for 70-seat 170s to 175s.In reaction to “competitive pressures,†Bombardier last year assigned more range to the CRJ900 with a so-called paperwork mod that increased its maximum reach to 1,914 nm. Dubbed the CRJ900LR, the variant promises a maximum takeoff weight of 84,500 pounds–4,000 more than the standard CRJ900 and 2,000 pounds higher than the mid-range CRJ900ER. Bombardier v-p Barry McKinnon explained that the company arrived at the extra range by apportioning the higher takeoff weights, thus expanding the airplane’s payload-range envelope without modifying the airframe.