Brace Yourself...here It Comes

[JungleClone]

Apparently there was an 1800 (Central) conference call amongst all managers at United this evening to outline what is expected to be announced tomorrow: the framework for the next round of wage/benefit cuts. Also, apparently more details will come out tomorrow on the normal 1000 leadership call.

 

[robbedagain]

i sure hope you folks at ual dont have to go thru the living hell that the vampires of usair is putting us thru. good luck to all of you at ual.

 

[mrfish3726]

Robbedagain,

They will face EXACTLY the same cost cutting that has transpired at USAIR. Do you really think that UniTED management is going to let anyone get a leg up on them in their restructuring. If USAIR gets away with it UAL will try to get away with it to!!!!

It's not fair for the employees to have to bail out USAIR or UniTED! But, they both know that is the only way they can MAYBE get out of BK. UAL like USAIR have both demonstrated without a doubt their lack of a sound business plan. And NEITHER of them has found any financial institution dumb enough to back them out of BK. With every passing day that these two companies spend in the BK court the less their chances of survival are.

And after this next round of cost cuts, most of the employees will be beat down enough with wages that date back to the 80's they probably won't give a crap anymore. And having contracts that if intact will be for a VERY LONG duration with very little to recover over the years isn't what most envision but know will be the reality in the end.

 

[JungleClone]

Sadly, Fish is right. We work in an industry of constant one upsmanship. If one airline gets dramatic concessions, all the other airlines must do the same to compete. Granted US Air is a shadow of its' former self. But it's still a competitor. And considering that UA is in bankruptcy and Tilton has been on record numerous times as saying he only wants to do this once, than you can get the farm that the changes the company wants are going to be dramatic and shocking. They hold all the cards, folks. The only card the unions hold is to shut the place down for good, which doesn't put anyone in a better situation. As this thread is aptly titled, it truly is bend over time. I just hope Tilton and the Boys realize the dramatic drop in service levels and morale that is guaranteed to follow.

 

[Fly]

And after this next round of cost cuts, most of the employees will be beat down enough with wages that date back to the 80's they probably won't give a crap anymore.

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Yippee, soon we'll have wages almost as low as Fish's. I almost feel like a fired employee already.

 

[mrfish3726]

Fly I make more here at F9 than I would have EVER TOPPED out at UniTED, hence the Big 😀

It's going to be a GREAT X-MAS!!!!

 

[boeing787]

Fish...better get ready for an ass whipping

 

[uafa21]

Fish - Leave this alone, you don't work here anymore. BTW, f9 may ask you for paycuts as well. The s**t will keep rolling downhill from here and may hit your company as well.

 

[mrfish3726]

BOEING7E7,

You'll NEVER find the fish, and if you send me threating e-mails again it's just evidence against you when I send the e-mails to the moderator and have you removed from this site.

Reality hurts, USAIR and UniTED are both doomed companies. Their demise has been predicted for months by anylists and when they do fail it will only help the entire industry in the end.

 

[JungleClone]

Fish,

It's not doomed airlines that really matter, it's doomed job skills. And I can think of no more doomed a job skill than the airline mechanic. As highly skilled jobs continue to erode overseas in favor of cheap, foreign labor, coupled with increasing oil prices, you will find more and more airlines forced to farm out their maintenance work to the cheapest bidder. That puts folks like you in a real bind. So gloat while you can. Because what goes around always comes around! F9's day of reckoning is fast approaching.

 

[mrfish3726]

Jungleclone says "That puts folks like you in a real bind. So gloat while you can. Because what goes around always comes around! F9's day of reckoning is fast approaching."

There will always be a need for a good aircraft mechanic/avionics technician. I've been in the industry over 30 years and HAVE NEVER had a problem acquiring jobs that I have been interested in. And in those 30 years I have continued to build a retirement nest egg, knowing full well that you can't count on ANYONE other than yourself to have a good retirement.

And as far as F9 is concerned I guess you didn't see our 3Q financials that even surprised the analysts. You all over there at UAL have been predicting the doom of F9 for 10+ years, which hasn't happened yet. We'll still be here trucking along as UAL continues its struggle for survival. F9 isn't immune from the forces facing the industry, but at least our management has a plan to stay competitive. More than most give UniTED's management or the lack of. As the one article in the Denver post pointed out last week, Tilton isn’t doing anything different at UniTED that past CEO haven’t done. Like the guy said, “IF you don’t fire the first 200 at the top, nothing will EVER CHANGE.†And UniTED’S two years in BK have proven that!!!!

If F9 doesn't make it, I am not worried. I can find me a 6-figure avionics job working in Afghanistan or Iraq, fixing planes and helicopters to keep our troops safe. So you see Clone, if your willing to move and see new things IT'S NOT HARD TO KEEP A MECHANICS JOB!

Again, we’ll compare financials between F9 and UniTED this 4Q and see how you fair. I am still waiting for you all to post TED’S profit margin and load factor for the 3Q results????? I still agree with the analysts, there will only be maybe 3 big carriers left and I don’t think UniTED will be one of them.

 

[aafsc]

Jungleclone says "That puts folks like you in a real bind. So gloat while you can. Because what goes around always comes around! F9's day of reckoning is fast approaching."

There will always be a need for a good aircraft mechanic/avionics technician. I've been in the industry over 30 years and HAVE NEVER had a problem acquiring jobs that I have been interested in. And in those 30 years I have continued to build a retirement nest egg, knowing full well that you can't count on ANYONE other than yourself to have a good retirement.

And as far as F9 is concerned I guess you didn't see our 3Q financials that even surprised the analysts. You all over there at UAL have been predicting the doom of F9 for 10+ years, which hasn't happened yet. We'll still be here trucking along as UAL continues its struggle for survival. F9 isn't immune from the forces facing the industry, but at least our management has a plan to stay competitive. More than most give UniTED's management or the lack of. As the one article in the Denver post pointed out last week, Tilton isn’t doing anything different at UniTED that past CEO haven’t done. Like the guy said, “IF you don’t fire the first 200 at the top, nothing will EVER CHANGE.†And UniTED’S two years in BK have proven that!!!!

If F9 doesn't make it, I am not worried. I can find me a 6-figure avionics job working in Afghanistan or Iraq, fixing planes and helicopters to keep our troops safe. So you see Clone, if your willing to move and see new things IT'S NOT HARD TO KEEP A MECHANICS JOB!

Again, we’ll compare financials between F9 and UniTED this 4Q and see how you fair. I am still waiting for you all to post TED’S profit margin and load factor for the 3Q results????? I still agree with the analysts, there will only be maybe 3 big carriers left and I don’t think UniTED will be one of them.

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Are you sure you want to go over there? All the money in the world means nothing when your being beheaded.

 

[Fly]

If F9 doesn't make it, I am not worried. I can find me a 6-figure avionics job working in Afghanistan or Iraq, fixing planes and helicopters to keep our troops safe.

[post="198389"][/post]​

Regardless of how much I love to fight with you.....please, please, please don't ever go there. I would hate to see your head held up by one of those disgusting Arabs after they cut it off.

 

[mrfish3726]

NAHHHHHH, I'd probably settle for a BIG 5 figure salary (TAX FREE of course) in Japan or Germany!

I have not ONCE been curious to see that sick crap (be-headings) on one of those ARAB web sites. We are trying to instill Democracy in a region that doesn't want Democracy. I wish we'd quit trying to force our way of life on others!!!!!!

 

[C54Capt]

Regardless of how much I love to fight with you.....please, please, please don't ever go there. I would hate to see your head held up by one of those disgusting Arabs after they cut it off.

[post="198407"][/post]​

Fly,

Those are the kindest words I've ever heard you say to Mr. Fish. Are you guys going to start being nice to each other?