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737nCH11

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Very positive messages from CEO Tilton and SR. VP flight ops Steve Fort. Looks like you guys are turning the corner. Keep your chins up, and don't pay much attention to the nay sayers out there.

737

P.S. 88% load factor on Sunday! Very impressive.
 
Thanks 737, I hope that things also go well over at U.

Tailwinds,
iflyjetz

PS- Can anyone over at U muzzle the Chipster? He doesn''t help interline relations.
 
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On 7/22/2003 2:13:00 AM iflyjetz wrote:

PS- Can anyone over at U muzzle the Chipster? He doesn''t help interline relations.

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Muzzle, muzzle???!!! It''s the internet. Oh my gosh! Hellloooooo

This site is a great soap opera, but statements like this make me question why I would take anything seriously that is posted here. What kind of good judgment is that? How on earth could you post that on the internet and expect readers to take you seriously with other opinions? I''m sure it''s possible that you know what you''re talking about, but I''ve become a lot more skeptical.
 
Analyst,

Did I mention anything about load factors equating to profitibility? Nope. I was merely congratulating these folks on some great news, not ripping them apart as some folks on this board tend to do.

Relax man. You''re turning into Chip Lite.

Cheers,

737

P.S. I believe Tilton did mention something about improved revenues in his message.
 
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On 7/22/2003 12:27:02 AM 737nCH11 wrote:

P.S. 88% load factor on Sunday! Very impressive.

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Sorry 737, but load factors are not a precise indication of profitability. Lets talk more about the break even numbers and how UA is managing its unit revenue. How are the yields? I could make an argument that UA high load factors are due to undercharging passengers with low fares and not concentrating on retaining the high yield business passenger. UA is still in awful financial shape as Chip has stated numerous times.

 
I'll let the UAL folks correct me if I'm wrong here.

Last year UAL's break-even load factor was around 91%. Keep in mind that was before any of the company's cost reductions were in place. Also, I believe that there has been a fare increase since then. Just guessing, but I would now put break-even at mid to low 80s.
 
''Great news'' as you say! Isn''t UA''s break-even load factor somewhere above the 90% range?

The post by Analyst is correct.
 
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On 7/22/2003 12:06:49 PM whatkindoffreshhell wrote:

''Great news'' as you say! Isn''t UA''s break-even load factor somewhere above the 90% range?

The post by Analyst is correct.

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737nCH11 is correct. The 90%+ number was prior to new contracts, leases, other savings, price increases, etc. I don''t know what the exact # is currently, but I do know that with the signing of the pilots new contract, most routes have become cash flow positive.

Whatever the case, we are currently operating at ABOVE break even load factors. And before all the pessimists have a heart attack, I DID NOT SAY that UA is out of the woods... YET.
 
Good post!

Again...I would urge all of you to simply not respond to his posts.

Look how fast the post faded away where chip provided links to the 4 parter tribune.

The best revenge is money. You can send Chip and others nice emails once United emerges and becomes profitable again.
 
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On 7/22/2003 5:41:31 AM RowUnderDCA wrote:
Muzzle, muzzle???!!! It''s the internet. Oh my gosh! Hellloooooo

This site is a great soap opera, but statements like this make me question why I would take anything seriously that is posted here. What kind of good judgment is that? How on earth could you post that on the internet and expect readers to take you seriously with other opinions? I''m sure it''s possible that you know what you''re talking about, but I''ve become a lot more skeptical.
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RowUnderDCA, Chip rehashes the same dire predictions for UAL over and over again in spite of rebuttals that poke holes in his theories. His predictions tick off every UAL employee who visits this website.

Let''s put the shoe on the other foot for a moment. For instance, how about I post a theory that UAL will be taking over many of U''s gates at PHL, CLT, BOS, DCA, and LGA along with all of U''s transcon and international flying?
I''ll use some articles to back up my theory. For instance, let''s take this one: http://birmingham.bizjournals.com/birmingh...14/daily20.html Read the last paragraph, where it mentions selling assets.
Now for all of U''s long haul flying disappearing, I''d take this article:
http://www.usairways.com/about/press/nw_03_0716a.htm
Those U pax will now be flying through PIT or CLT to get to LGW. There will be others flying through IAD or ORD to LHR. Then there''s this one:
http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte...14/daily49.html
LH is looking at adding service from MUC; the three finalists are CLT, MCO, and PIT. Notice how two of the three cities are U hubs.
Then there''s the rumor that U will be discontinuing west coast service.
Toss in the additional furlough of 170 U FAs scheduled for this fall.
Add this post from Chip:
"During the recent Regional Airline Association (RAA) conference in Phoenix, US Airways chief executive officer Dave Siegel said more than 100 US Airways Boeing 737-300/400 aircraft would be nearing the end of their useful life. Siegel noted the EMB-190/195 looks attractive for US Airways’ mainline operation as some of the airline’s older narrowbodies exit the fleet during the next five to 10 years.
Siegel told conference attendees that the company looked at the EMB-190/195 in its long-range plans and the airline is studying whether they can replace aging Boeing 737-300s and -400s on mainline routes."
How come U would go with an EMB for mainline instead of an A-318? The A-318 makes more sense in terms of fleet simplification.

Now I can take all of these facts and roll them into a theory that U will be turning into a regional, flying only RJs. How about I repeat this theory on U''s boards? Again and again. New info? Allow me to twist it in such a manner that it fits my theory. Then I''ll post it on the U and UAL boards. Again and again. How ticked off would you (and all U employees) be at me and every other UAL employee?
 
Reposted from another thread


A little Tip for Chip,

I know this will be a great dissappointment to the Chipster but a note from our Chicago chief pilot just the other day said that yields are up 30% from April levels and that it appears that this combined with our record high load factors will enable us to meet all DIP covenants for the remainder of the year.


...For those of you trying to figure out the motivation behind the Chipsters constant and determined attempts to discredit UAL and it's recovery, it's really quite simple. We pilots can see right thru his propaganda.

ENVY

He was hired by UAL sometime in the mid 80's and then left during the strike for what he thought were greener pastures at US Air. Seeing his career get bogged down at his perpetually money losing airline while the peers he left behind at UAL were advancing upward at a rapid pace was a lot for him to swallow. His redemption would come in the form of a UAL buyout of US Air and his (wet)dream of a "date of hire" integration. Thank goodness the pilots snubbed both attempts in 1995 and 2000. Now, with his career heading south at an airline that has little hope of being anything more than a regional feeder, he feels compelled to lash out at those he feels is to blame - the UAL employee.
Fear not his diatribes of doom and gloom. His record speaks for itself. NONE of his predictions have bore any fruit. He will continue to spread rumours, halve truths, misquotes and conspiracies in a sad attempt to bolster his own ego in the face of his very accurate feelings of inadequacy.

Tumbleweed
 
True, load factors do not equate directly to profitability; but, they do show that capacity is nearing demand. When I look at this board, versus some other boards, there is one thing that really stands out to me. That is the apparent level of discontent displayed by the employees at some other airlines. It appears that morale is much higher at UAL than at some other airlines. I do not have the crystal ball; but, employee morale is essential to success.
 
One way you would be better off is that you would be a senior 767 captain with the ability to rapidly advance due to early retirements.
 
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