"Cost neutral!"

[BluePacific]

So this U East 20 year copilot with poverty level retirement and no retired health benefits just found out how cost neutral works for those who don't get millions in stock options.

Cancelled the monitored alarm I depend on to keep my family safe while I'm 3000+ miles away. We can't affored it when we're trying to get the kids through school and save for a retirement looming.

Every penny counts these days and ending the alarm saves us $40 per month. So we save $40. and today, I get notice that our health insurance premiums will go up by....... you guessed it $40 a month.
:angry:

 

[aredeeyou22]

So this U East 20 year copilot with poverty level retirement and no retired health benefits just found out how cost neutral works for those who don't get millions in stock options.

Cancelled the monitored alarm I depend on to keep my family safe while I'm 3000+ miles away. We can't affored it when we're trying to get the kids through school and save for a retirement looming.

Every penny counts these days and ending the alarm saves us $40 per month. So we save $40. and today, I get notice that our health insurance premiums will go up by....... you guessed it $40 a month.
:angry:

Yup, it's absolutely insane. Let's get ready for a fight! It is utterly ridiculous... Cost neutral does not mean cost neutral, it means "more paycuts!" Outraged yet, everyone, or just happy to have a job?

 

[Pylit]

Hmmm...this outfit is making 3 mil/day. You'd think they could kick in $40/mo.....
BTW..I thought the new health care outfit was cheaper?
Go figure.

 

[Career Reserve]

Hmmm...this outfit is making 3 mil/day. You'd think they could kick in $40/mo.....
BTW..I thought the new health care outfit was cheaper?
Go figure.

Oh yes, but you didn't see the fine print. It said it would be cheaper for the Company, not the employee.
Wait until your medication is denied! Every quarter "representatives" sit down and discuss which medications should be on the approved list and those that shouldn't. You might find that that too has changed. :down:

 

[BluePacific]

Oh yes, but you didn't see the fine print. It said it would be cheaper for the Company, not the employee.
Wait until your medication is denied! Every quarter "representatives" sit down and discuss which medications should be on the approved list and those that shouldn't. You might find that that too has changed. :down:

What medications? No need to get used to anything now, I won't be able to aford it when I retire. "Call me Dave"Siegal and "Here to Jerk you Jerry"Glass made sure of that.

 

[luvthe9]

Some pilots on the East Coast are so peeved with the pace and tone of negotiations that they are privately threatening to run up the airline's already sky-high fuel bill by ignoring the company's fuel-saving tactics, and they are not going out of their way to help get planes out on time.

"Parker said he has seen no evidence of that".
HE will taxied out of PHL 35 in line most every US plane had 2 running. Keep up up the good work guys.

 

[BluePacific]

Some pilots on the East Coast are so peeved with the pace and tone of negotiations that they are privately threatening to run up the airline's already sky-high fuel bill by ignoring the company's fuel-saving tactics, and they are not going out of their way to help get planes out on time.

"Parker said he has seen no evidence of that".
HE will taxied out of PHL 35 in line most every US plane had 2 running. Keep up up the good work guys.

I won't do that. Why waste fuel. I will, however, no longer be doing anyone else's job...no calls for catering, no calls for lav service.. I used to care but now this airline only has to last as long as it takes me to retire. Afterthat, I'll give it about as much thought as it will give me... ZERO

 

[hula-flyguy]

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

 

[gabby]

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

It should go both ways. My low wages are subsidizing their airline tickets. Essentially i am paying for them to take a vacation. Come work at one of the wholly owned. Think you have it bad? Try taking home $350/week.

 

[pilot]

I won't do that. Why waste fuel. I will, however, no longer be doing anyone else's job...no calls for catering, no calls for lav service.. I used to care but now this airline only has to last as long as it takes me to retire. Afterthat, I'll give it about as much thought as it will give me... ZERO

You've got to be kidding me. How does it feel after voting yes?

Fuel costs money. The ONLY thing Parker understands is MONEY!

Use your head. Two engine taxi is safer. Each and every time it is safer.

The problem we have here with this pilot group is spelled out in this post. If one reads between the lines of this guy one sees that it is all about him. Six times he refers to himself. At no point does he refer to our profession. Only his retirement, and what he will be thinking about after that occurs.

What we do now will will pave the way for the guys who continue our profession after we are gone. And this guy thinks of himself.

Figure it out sparky. We must do ALL we can together. Not individually.

Taxi out and in on two. Be safe and follow the book. For the profession. Not for yourself.

pilot

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

When mgt makes pax THEIR top priority maybe I will do the same.

Until then we must do all possible to open Parkers eyes as to what is this company's most important and vital asset.

He's the one who wants us to be the LCC of choice. Maybe he should try to copy the true LCC's credo regarding employees and their value to the company.

He doesn't get it. We need to make him get it. And if that pisses off the pax then thats a real shame.
pilot

 

[CaptBud330]

Show me the stats that show 2 engine taxie is SAFER then single! You're a professional, you should know that.

 

[BluePacific]

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

I give "my" passengers 110%. I show up early, I kept current on every aspect of my job. I have not called in sick, in fact, I can't remember the last time I did. I'm now paid less that I was in 1990 and I work more hours.
I've been accused of being a cheerleader for U long after many of my co-workers stopped caring.
If I am now this discouraged, then YES, someone should care.
Never in my life did I think that at this stage of my life, in a professional career that I starting working on when I was 15 years old, never did I think that $40. would matter. But here it is; $40. is half a college textbook for one of my kids, its half a tank of gas for my 10 year old car, its a modest dinner out and its one more "little' thing that adds up.

 

[pitguy]

Poor East SCAB pilot.


1 - 2 - 3 - Pity Party! :mf_boff:

 

[diogenes]

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

With all due respect, many stations were routinely at the top of company metrics until the day they were outsourced.

Being a good soldier has no impact on U management (and I do not differentiate between old U and new U. Same same, IMV). In fact, they take advantage of it.

Given, the fact the good soldier routine was ineffective, it would be unwise to repeat the tactic. How much do you have left to give?

I am not advocating being rude or screwing the passengers.

Simply working to the myriad rules U has in place would suffice.

Plus, if the unions had stones, their district and international components could mount an effective PR campaigns (I guess they'd have to get out of bed with management first :angry: ).

Imagine, if you will, a union guy (that doesn't work for the company and is immune to the company handbook) laying out an effective presentation as to why PHL has a baggage handling problem. Pictures of the fleet of unusable equipment. Comparing staffing scehdules to flight schedules. You get the gist.

One wonders why that isn't happening - it'd be an excellent expenditure of dues money.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I understand your anger at management, but please try to keep focused on the fact that we are here for the customers, and without them, we wouldn't be here. I'm not asking you to care about the company once you are gone, but until then, please make the passengers your top priority.
Thank you.

If people are paid just enough to keep them from quitting then they will do just enough to avoid being fired.

I can't claim credit for those words but they are perfect!