- Nov 4, 2010
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Kev3188 said:Those are valid points, but you can't have a discussion about APFA without having one about PFAA.
I just think that an in-house union would either get crushed really fast, or become a glorified EIG/FIT type deal in short order.
I also agree that any vote should be overwhelming. No one wins with 52-48, ya know?
As for 8's, I'm assuming that comment was a general one, and not directed at me; I've been pushing for 10's forever, and would take 13.3's in a heartbeat.
southwind said:Yep, only gripe I have right now is no 12's or 13.3's and the only reason I can figure they did away with them is having to pay those, working those hours, 12 or 13.3 hours per holiday.
Do I want a union, just to get them back? Nope!
Is your shop just a Monday-Friday shop? Guess just 8 hour shifts
Company said, at least in the hangar, production was dropping off hard in the last few hours of the shift and moving to 12s (plus a make up day) would increase production. How true is this? No idea
I know when we "voted" on what we wanted 4/10s won for the week shifts but the super seniors cried enough to get a revote. Magically the next vote 5/8s won.
But not joining a union to get them back. Dumb reason to want a union.
Honestly I don't know much about the PFAA
It was on the IAM/TWU opener.
Things like what times a shop is open, shifts etc. is stuff I don't want the union to worry about. Shop changes and you don't like it, bid out. You work for a 24/7/365 company and expect to work a 9-5 job? No go work at a bank if that is what you are looking for.
If I join a union I want the focus on the big issues, scope, pay, health care, retirement, and some work rules. I would want a clear proces when things do change we don't get a "whoops, revote" till we fit the company/Union/senior mamas agenda.
But at the end of the day deciding that a shop needs to add a line to run overnight cause volume is high is above my pay grade. Seniority makes it fair and we all have to or had to cut our teeth in this industry.