Delta Pilots Union Affirms Strike Promise

[WNrforlife]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060322/delta_pilots.html?.v=2

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[SilentWarrior]

The rest of the headline “if Pay Cuts Are Imposed “.

This is nothing more than saber rattling. The pilots say “We'll strike!â€￾ and management will say “We'll go out of business!â€￾ Anyone who has spent any time on these boards has heard it a thousand times.

I believe that they will come to some agreement prior to the April 15 deadline. That opinion is strictly based on the numerous proceedings at other airlines prior to this.

 

[lostplanetairman]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060323/delta_pilots.html?.v=3

Well, now they have to actually negotiate.

 

[SilentWarrior]

It's good to see the Arbitration Panel lay down some lumber. Enough of the tit-tat media blitzing by both parties. Get down to business and get back to running an airline.

 

[michael707767]

I believe that they will come to some agreement prior to the April 15 deadline. That opinion is strictly based on the numerous proceedings at other airlines prior to this.

while I agree with you that we will see an agreement prior to April 15, I am positive if the company throws out the contract the union will strike.

Now, having said that, will the union have the ability to strike is another question. By that I mean, will the government step in one way or another and prevent it. Unknown.

 

[Nor'Easta]

I have a question:

If the President steps in and orders the Delta Pilots back to work, will the return? What would they have to return too?

 

[robbedagain]

I firmly believe that if the pilots do strike, the president of the us will order them back to work. but i have to question what kind of contract would they be flying under adn will they purposely say "we've got maintaince issue with this plane we cant fly until it is fixed?"

 

[luv2fly]

I firmly believe that if the pilots do strike, the president of the us will order them back to work. but i have to question what kind of contract would they be flying under adn will they purposely say "we've got maintaince issue with this plane we cant fly until it is fixed?"

Under what authority would the President order a return to work? The President has the authority under the RLA, but BK proceedings are not governed by the RLA.
The company has stated it would seek an injunction to stop a strike. There is no precedent for this situation.
If a temporary injunction is granted, I could see this case going as far as the Supreme Court.
It will not get that far as I would anticipate an agreement within the next few weeks. If not, there will be a strike.

 

[robbedagain]

ok thanks I wasnt sure but I'd thought I'd ask

 

[TheDog2004]

I have a hard time believing there will be a strike because it wins the union absolutely nothing.

A strike is supposed to win something for the membership. I don't see any tangible benefits from a strike.

 

[luv2fly]

I have a hard time believing there will be a strike because it wins the union absolutely nothing.

A strike is supposed to win something for the membership. I don't see any tangible benefits from a strike.

And the same goes for management and the creditors. It is what the military refers to as MAD. Mutually assured destruction. That is why I believe there must be a negotiated settlement. If DL management imposes its proposal, it will force the union to push the red button.

 

[TheDog2004]

And the same goes for management and the creditors. It is what the military refers to as MAD. Mutually assured destruction. That is why I believe there must be a negotiated settlement. If DL management imposes its proposal, it will force the union to push the red button.

I think it would be a MAD situation if management were threatening to lock out the workers. Imposing pay cuts won't kill the airline at all. It will only make the job pay less. That's it. Nothing more. It may suck, but it won't kill the airline.

At any rate, I still need an answer to my question - what does DALPA and its membership gain with a strike?

If there is nothing to gain with a strike, then why do it at all? Doesn't a strike that ends up costing the entire membership their jobs completely contradict the entire point of a strike?

 

[luv2fly]

I think it would be a MAD situation if management were threatening to lock out the workers. Imposing pay cuts won't kill the airline at all. It will only make the job pay less. That's it. Nothing more. It may suck, but it won't kill the airline.

At any rate, I still need an answer to my question - what does DALPA and its membership gain with a strike?

If there is nothing to gain with a strike, then why do it at all? Doesn't a strike that ends up costing the entire membership their jobs completely contradict the entire point of a strike?

I think you know the answer to your question. The union uses the threat of a strike in order to obtain the maximum benefit possible, just as management in this case is using the 1113 process to gain as much as possible. As a DL employee, I am sure you are quite familiar now with the arguments of both sides. DL claims it needs everything to survive. ALPA maintains the company is money grabbing and undervaluing the immenent pension termination.
Essentially workers who authorize a strike proclaim the offering is unsatisfactory and as such are willing to "chance" losing it all in order to obtain a better deal.
You are kidding yourself if you think the union is the only one playing ball here. Imposing paycuts on an employee group that has a collective bargaining agreement(contract), could most certainly "kill" an airline. It is no different than if the company chose to ignore its contract with a vendor. The services are no longer rendered and the company either renegotiates the contracts or chooses another vendor. There is no other vendor in this case, and yes thas does "suck" for the company.

 

[WNrforlife]

I think you know the answer to your question. The union uses the threat of a strike in order to obtain the maximum benefit possible, just as management in this case is using the 1113 process to gain as much as possible. As a DL employee, I am sure you are quite familiar now with the arguments of both sides. DL claims it needs everything to survive. ALPA maintains the company is money grabbing and undervaluing the immenent pension termination.
Essentially workers who authorize a strike proclaim the offering is unsatisfactory and as such are willing to "chance" losing it all in order to obtain a better deal.
You are kidding yourself if you think the union is the only one playing ball here. Imposing paycuts on an employee group that has a collective bargaining agreement(contract), could most certainly "kill" an airline. It is no different than if the company chose to ignore its contract with a vendor. The services are no longer rendered and the company either renegotiates the contracts or chooses another vendor. There is no other vendor in this case, and yes thas does "suck" for the company.

But the "Vendor" agreed to arbitration.

 

[john john]

Management will get the concessions and major changes they need to exit bankruptcy for its financiers one-way or another they have a $ target to achieve. Every gain DALPA receives the other groups lose. The target has to be achieved to exit bankruptcy.. Plan of Reorganization is being put into place