DOH and BASES may be the next APFA concession ?

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Many remain firm in the pursuit of DOH and bases for all TWA inflight employees. The last round of concessons by the APFA regarding returning after furlough OPEN BASE scenerio and what ever else ensued is a modest start.
US Federal Court has line judges and referees. Only that adjudication will insure the DOH and base snap back.
As outlined a month or so ago, APFA board should have asked for John Ward''s resignation AND allowed on a voluntary basis a 1 for 3 slot in for DOH. Shaking the APFA membership is at best wondering why they bit the bullet.
The next shoe is dropping as we speak. A well intentioned response is more than welcome.
Please also remember that TW crews covered TONS of PURE aa segments last summer, on routes that TW didnt even fly. The TW segments were underserved crew wise. SO that too remains a BRANDED tool in favor of the TW cabin crews and any ensuing lawsuit. Aa can, and does, control who flys on what route. AA metal or TW metal, it is inscribed in the book of daily nefarious life of conspiracy.
Warmest regards, Aloha and Mahalo from Cairo!
 

FA Mikey

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NO there wont be any concessions. You have all the seniority you will be getting. Your occupational seniority like mine. Starts when you start flying for AA, Not TW. The APFA board is solidly behind the resolution it passed to protect occupational seniority of the original AAers.
 

QQ3270

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Art oh Art i think your time here at AA may be short
you keep runnign you r mouth off but you live in fantasy land buddy


south west is hiring
 
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Neither of the focus items will ever get old.

Some say that patience is a virtue. That is something the hearts of each and every TW cabin crew, cockpit member, mechanic and support individual knows for sure.

You see, no one is short lived, especially if the honor of what is right is at stake. aa set the stage with the mock BK, they chose the gels to color the spot lights and gave voice to mere puppets. That was sworn testimony. Happily, none of the remaining members of TWA was among them.

As I mentioned, John Ward should have resigned for participating in the sham and conspiracy. The APFA board SHOULD have accepted a modified 1 for 3 slot in for DOH and snap to base of choice after the dust cleared. Now its going for a 1 for 1.

We're headed that way. Nothing demeaning meant to ANY aa line employee and certainly nothing personal.

It's just that the law doesn't like big guys hitting small guys AND most of all they detest conspiracies.

aa doesnt have to play the crew game. They made an indelible print during the summer. Who would have thought TW metal and crews would fly DFW-ORD, SEA, LAX and the like to support a aa shortage; while all the time shorting STL and creating chaos. The ISL situation is much the same, transparent and dumb. The training snap in even more transparent and foolish. Conspiracies, no doubt. Fact most certainly.

Stay tuned for news, weather and sports. Good news, nice weather and good sports. No fixed games.

Please excuse me if the typing is a bit rough, humidity and temperatures are on the rise and available sattelite ISP time short here, just West of Bahrya.

Those little sand granules are shifting, one; then two; then in an eponential wave.

Salam, Shalom, Mahalo, Aloha and Buh-Bye
 

TWAB717

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There is a treasure trove out there of shady dealings in this whole mess. Both sides have valid arguments, but buyout, acquisition, merger, hostile takeover, whatever you want to call it, integration is integration, not stapling. For what other reason than fear did APFA cut a hole in our STL fence? It's too little too late for them to try and look like they are being fair to ALL of their membership, its obvious the 4,000 TW step-children are looked down upon. I give them an A for effort, will make it easier for John Ward to say down the road, Well, we tried all we could to win in court.
 

QQ3270

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OH DANNY THATS WHAT WE THOUGHT AT RENO 2 BUT OFCOURSE WE DID NT HAVE A CONTRACT BUT WE WERE NOT BANKRUPT THE JUDGE SIDED WITH APFA IN THE LONG RUN SO GET OVER IT DONT BE SO QUICK TO RULE BECAUSE WHEN THE JUDGE RULES AGAINST TWA I WILL LOVE TO RUB INTO YOU R FACE ALL OVER SO IT ANINT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS DONT BE SO SURE THAT YOU WILL WIN
 

TWAB717

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Nothing against Reno, but your talking apples and oranges here. After Reno, there were not 3,000 f/a's with 17 yrs of flying junior to someone hired April 9, 2001. If we lose in court, feel free to rub it into our faces, but never under-estimate the class, passion, and ingenuity of our workforce.
 
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AAer's if you lose it court, please feel free to shut this airline down. The TWU willingly bent over, and let them break it off. Don't follow our example.
 

QQ3270

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On 11/28/2002 10:18:17 PM TWAB717 wrote:

Nothing against Reno, but your talking apples and oranges here. After Reno, there were not 3,000 f/a's with 17 yrs of flying junior to someone hired April 9, 2001. If we lose in court, feel free to rub it into our faces, but never under-estimate the class, passion, and ingenuity of our workforce.
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thats the problem with TWA you think you are owed something we should have never bought that bankrupt company with f/as that have only 1year of seniority here at AA please you think you are better than everyone else who AA bought please buddy you are heading striaght to the unemployement line were you would have been in the begining if AA would not have bought that bankrupt airline
see ya
 

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The fact of the matter is that bankrupcy was required for the sale to AA. There was another offer on the table (as distasteful and inferior as it was) put forth by Uncle Carl who wanted to keep the cow who was supplying the milk to CheapTickets.com Hard to say where that would have ended up after 9/11. Clearly the AA option was deemed more attractive by Capt Compton who professed interest in protecting employment for as many as possible. At the time AA's offer appeared to hold the best potential for that. In the overall scheme of things, the merging of seniority of TWA and AA ,similar to what OZ and TW did would have been like pouring a cup of salt in Lake Michigan...the sheer numbers of AA coupled with retirements since the agreement would have had little impact on most. It posed no ill effects at TWA when OZ folks came over WITH their full seniority.
 
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On 11/29/2002 4:28:20 PM desertfox wrote:

The fact of the matter is that bankrupcy was required for the sale to AA. There was another offer on the table (as distasteful and inferior as it was) put forth by Uncle Carl who wanted to keep the cow who was supplying the milk to CheapTickets.com
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no no no...the fact of the matter is that BANKRUPTCY WAS A CHOICE made by TWA, not a requirement by AA. AA said, we'll buy you out if you declare bankruptcy. If you don't then, we'll not even consider buying you out.
Carl Ichan said, I'll buy you out whether or not you declare bankruptcy.
Compton says Hmmm, should I go with Carty or should I go with Ichan?. since the majority of you didn't want Ichan, you made the choice to declare bankruptcy. AA did not need to buy you out, it set a condition for a sale. whether or not that condition was going to be met was a choice you had to make.
Compton could have said no thanks to Carty and rely on other bids, but because of your distaste for Ichan you chose bankruptcy SO you could be bought out by the strongest of the bidders.
 
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bagsmasher

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DesertFox,
Your idea that DOH for TWAer's would be like pouring a cup of salt into Lake Michigan is absolutely false. TWAer's were so senior that that scenerio would have effectively put most TWAer's at the very top of AA's seniority lists. This is because as TWA was shrinking, AA was expanding. At AA, you had it made with early 1980's seniority, at TWA that kind of seniority would get you no where.
 

TWAB717

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QQ, I'm already furloughed, by 2 airlines at the moment, working for a third until one of the other 2 comes thru. WE don't think we are owed anything except what was promised, Fair and Equitable treatment, and benefits no less favorable than those of AA employees in similar classifications. Just because Reno didn't win in the courts after repeated tries doesnt mean you have to slam us for attempting to stand up for ourselves as well. This fight is to set an example of what needs to be done in what is sure to be future industry consolidation. When OZ was acquired by TW, they didn't get DOH, they fought for it, and we get along just fine. In fact, most of the Ozark people I've had the pleasure of working with have been some of the best out there. Same relative size difference as TW/AA, and most of our workforce would stay in STL, where no nAAtive f/a's are based anyway, well, technically not based, but they are flying more and more of our trips. Point is, you shouldn't be the pot calling the kettle black. BK or not, Reno was bought, AirCal was bought, and TWA was bought. It's the IAM that filed our seniority lawsuit, not us. Enjoy flying!
 

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