E190 Comes To Tpa

[Light Years]

Check out the plane that will fly in US colors with no US employees.

 

[Light Years]

I'm sure everything will be OK though, it's just "MAA" people losing jobs, it won't affect the mainline, right? I mean, it's definitely not the replacement for the 737 right? JetBlue must be crazy flying it as a mainline plane, huh? I mean it's made by Embraer, so it must be an RJ right? Puddle Jumper? Express? Might as well be a Beech 1900... right? :down:

 

[USA320Pilot]

If my memory serves me correctly LOA 93 negotiated by the ALPA's RC4 permits 50 of these ELOVs or Extra Large Outsourcing Vehicles to be operated at a J4J participating affilaited carrier.

In my mind these aircraft will most likely come to Republic Airways and replace the B737 aircraft being returned to the lessors.

If ALPA's RC4 had permitted the rank-and-file to vote on the company's September 6 proposal and that deal was ratified ny the membership, the 279 mainline minimum fleet count would have been retained.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

If ALPA's RC4 had permitted the rank-and-file to vote on the company's September 6 proposal and that deal was ratified ny the membership, the 279 mainline minimum fleet count would have been retained.
Regards,
USA320Pilot

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Yep, just like the profit sharing and the Airbus Outsourcing.

P.T. Barnum was correct.

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW:

I never said that the company would not have come after the 279 minimum fleet count if GECAS demanded the aircraft be returned. Last August I sat in a MEC meeting at the Keybridge Marriott near DCA and heard Bruce Lakefield tell the MEC that if there was not a deal before a bankruptcy filing that GECAS wanted at least 30 B737s returned. In response then PIT Captain Rep Fred Freshwater, who no longer does any ALPA work, told Lakefield if he wanted to keep the fleet intact he would have to keep all of the DC Plan in place.

Guess what? Freshwater and the other 3 members of the RC4 lost 90% of the DC plan and 71 aircraft. Another example of a “great union job of negotiating.â€￾

With that said, GECAS and the company could have come after the minimum fleet count like what is happening with the new equity investors and the Board coming after the profit sharing plan even if the September 6 proposal would have been ratified, but we will never know will we? Moreover, the RC4 was warned the minimum fleet count was at risk at the Marriott and did not respond to the threat. But how would you know because I did not see you at the meeting.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

And on the first day of negotiations I heard during the company's opener,the former VP of Finance, Elif say back on November 2, 2004 that GECAS wanted at least 45 planes back.

And what GE wants, GE gets.

 

[BoeingBoy]

If my memory serves me correctly LOA 93 negotiated by the ALPA's RC4 permits 50 of these ELOVs or Extra Large Outsourcing Vehicles to be operated at a J4J participating affilaited carrier.

In my mind these aircraft will most likely come to Republic Airways and replace the B737 aircraft being returned to the lessors.

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It's not surprising that your revisionist history omits your preference for allowing not only this airplane but the Emb-195 as well (would that be EELOV or Extra Extra Large Outsourcing Vehicles). That the company contemplates Republic operating the Emb-195 is testament to their believe that your pals on the MEC will fall all over themselves in the rush to give away more....

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

BoeingBoy:

It's not surprising that your RC4 buddies, who also allegedly misrepresent information, did not listen to one, not one, ALPA advisor during negotiations. Moreover, their hand picked "all rookie" negotiating committee (NC), with not one member successfully passing a labor relations negotiating school, obtained a TA with the new ELOV language and the elimination of the minimum fleet count.

Every ALPA advisor said that each time the RC4 and their NC rejected a proposal the next one would be worse. Guess what? The advisor’s batted 1000% and the RC4/NC batted 0%.

You should keep up the good work and continue to support these "super negotiators", who routinely misrepresent information too, and badly hurt every pilot on this property as well as thousands of other employees.

Also noteworthy, Jerry Glass did a great job lowering employee costs and all he needed was the RC4 and their supporters like you to provide a TA with a concession greater than the "ask".

By the way, can you tell us from your "revisionist history" what the company's pay rate opening offer was to ALPA during the last restructuring agreement negotiations and what the current number is in LOA 93? I'm sure with your ability to scan the Internet, versus attending MEC meetings to get more of the facts, you can answer this question.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

BoeingBoy:

It's not surprising that your RC4 buddies, who also allegedly misrepresent information, did not listen to one, not one, ALPA advisor during negotiations. Moreover, their hand picked "all rookie" negotiating committee (NC), with not one member successfully passing a labor relations negotiating school, obtained a TA with the new ELOV language and the elimination of the minimum fleet count.

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Interesting that you continue to spread the same misinformation that you were chastised for at the last MEC meeting - that makes twice now, doesn't it.....

Jim

 

[SoldWholeSale]

That particular Embraer 190 is in the US flying as a demo for JetBlue for three weeks.

No mention has been made as to U's plans for the 190. Both Parker in statements and mgmnt in the MOU have said there are Embraer 190's in the airlines future. Just who will fly them remains a question. Seems to me LOA 93 allows there to be a certain # of EMB-170/-190 flown OUTSIDE of MidAtlantic. If this is an asset sale, how can there be a MidAtlantic to fly those aircraft outside of??

 

[Rico]

Well, actually Mr Parker has said that the 90 seater CRJ's would be heading east to take over 737 flying into the future. But IMO they really have no desire to spell out their plans for the future of the E-190's at U until the merger and combinded contracts are negotiated.

Want my guess, two years from now, when the merger is about to be concluded, the "spare" certificate left over will find itself used to "restart" MDA with a separate crtificate, and separate working agreements as opposed to the way the current operation is set up now.

that will lead to the final removal of the remaining 737's.

 

[SoldWholeSale]

I'm too tired to find it right now, but the MOU and Parker both specifically speak in regard to the EMBRAER 190. The CRJ-900 moving east is a whole different animal and as we speak Bombardier is recerting the plan for higher takeoff and landing weights so that it might be of some use to the airline on our routes.

 

[St. Leibowitz]

Guppy Killer

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I don't generally listen to the US phone message, but Lakefield was careful about suggesting the transfer of aircraft to Republic but the continuation of Mid-Atlantic. Is this just posturing, or could other aircraft be heading to Mid-Atlantic?

 

[passed_over]

I don't generally listen to the US phone message, but Lakefield was careful about suggesting the transfer of aircraft to Republic but the continuation of Mid-Atlantic. Is this just posturing, or could other aircraft be heading to Mid-Atlantic?

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maybe the dash will go to MDA so they can get rid of PDT