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fleet service poll IAM or TWU
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Are you playing that again?
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about and have been shown the correct information by me and others.
So Joshie, spill it.
The TWU/IAM TWA went to arbitration, and the arbiter ruled.
Every merger the IAM has done have been dovetail seniority. The AA/TW was done in arbitration, just like every union over at AA and didnt have good results for anyone.
So keep up the misinformation campaign and I will refute it and post the truth every time!
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about and have been shown the correct information by me and others.
So Joshie, spill it.
The TWU/IAM TWA went to arbitration, and the arbiter ruled.
Every merger the IAM has done have been dovetail seniority. The AA/TW was done in arbitration, just like every union over at AA and didnt have good results for anyone.
So keep up the misinformation campaign and I will refute it and post the truth every time!
Besides many IAM agreements are lagging the industry by a wide margin look at what happened at DL, the agreement was so bad 70% voted to decertify the IAM. How many industry leading contracts has the IAM negotiated? Even the CO agreement wasn't the greatest, AFA had better work rules, job protections, and other benefits to make up for the higher wages.
Josh
Josh
Once again your spewing facts you dont know.
If the IAM CBAs are so bad, then why are the mechanics at US enjoy better pay and benefits?
CO's FAs under the IAM CBA were second highest paid in the industry, second to WN.
US had been in Chapter 11 twice and all the unions gave three rounds of concessions yet the IAM Mechanics make more than AA.
Until chapter 11 the IAM at US, NW, UA, all had superior Contracts.
And the IAM represents the Agents and Res at WN and they are the highest paid.
Try again Joshie.
If the IAM CBAs are so bad, then why are the mechanics at US enjoy better pay and benefits?
CO's FAs under the IAM CBA were second highest paid in the industry, second to WN.
US had been in Chapter 11 twice and all the unions gave three rounds of concessions yet the IAM Mechanics make more than AA.
Until chapter 11 the IAM at US, NW, UA, all had superior Contracts.
And the IAM represents the Agents and Res at WN and they are the highest paid.
Try again Joshie.
Wrong again,
Do you have a comprehension problem?
Even Bob Owens pointed out to you AA started the concessions in 1983, Thats 19 years before the IAM took concessions at US, and all the unions, ALPA, AFA, TWU, CWA and the IAM were forced by Federal Law when US filed Chapter 11 to negotiate concessions or have their CBAs abrogated.
And no the IAM did not give the company everything they wanted, we even voted down the first TA in Chapter 11 in 2002.
Look around the industry since 9/11 every union has taken concessions, the TWU took concession and gave AA everything they wanted in 2003 and AA wasnt even in bankruptcy, the same thing happend at CO, the IBT gave concessions and they werent in bankruptcy.
And even after three rounds of concessions, the IAM Mechanics at US still make more money than their AA counterparts and enjoy better benefits.
You lack of knowledge makes this way too easy.
Keep trying!
Do you have a comprehension problem?
Even Bob Owens pointed out to you AA started the concessions in 1983, Thats 19 years before the IAM took concessions at US, and all the unions, ALPA, AFA, TWU, CWA and the IAM were forced by Federal Law when US filed Chapter 11 to negotiate concessions or have their CBAs abrogated.
And no the IAM did not give the company everything they wanted, we even voted down the first TA in Chapter 11 in 2002.
Look around the industry since 9/11 every union has taken concessions, the TWU took concession and gave AA everything they wanted in 2003 and AA wasnt even in bankruptcy, the same thing happend at CO, the IBT gave concessions and they werent in bankruptcy.
And even after three rounds of concessions, the IAM Mechanics at US still make more money than their AA counterparts and enjoy better benefits.
You lack of knowledge makes this way too easy.
Keep trying!
roabilly
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He is obviously in the never satisfied, disgruntled, blame the IAM camp... sounds familiar doesn’t it?!
I have a few individuals at work that are of the same mindset, when you apply facts and case history to their twisted logic, they become agitated and defensive.
On a positive note; these individuals are now few and far between. More and more of our members are actually educating themselves, or at least confiding in those that are experienced and knowledgeable.
So if the membership had the opportunity to vote on (and reject) the agreement doesn't that support that the IAM produced a contract with major concessions?
Josh
Once again you fail to recognize, US was in Chapter 11, it wasnt a truly negotiated CBA, it was a bankruptcy offer from US.
You make this way too easy, give up while you are behind.
Section 1113C negotiations are not traditional Section 6 Negotiations.
And yet you fail to respond to anything posted where I proved you wrong, like usual.
You make this way too easy, give up while you are behind.
Section 1113C negotiations are not traditional Section 6 Negotiations.
And yet you fail to respond to anything posted where I proved you wrong, like usual.
roabilly
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700,
It can’t be any easier to refute misinformation like this, especially now...
All one has to do is follow the 1113C proceedings in real time right here on this site as AA and their respective Labor Groups go through the exact same process!
There is no way anyone could be that blind to this situation... it’s on the cover of financial publications, and in the news virtually every day!
Why would someone be foolish enough to post rhetoric that is so easily discredited with facts... sadomasochism perhaps?
Dog Wonder
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Wrong again, dont let the facts get in your way.
GO look up the Kasher Abritration and maybe your ignorance will go away, you didnt post facts and you ignore everything everyone has shown you and I have proven you wrong time and time again. Give up while you are behind.
And once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
GO look up the Kasher Abritration and maybe your ignorance will go away, you didnt post facts and you ignore everything everyone has shown you and I have proven you wrong time and time again. Give up while you are behind.
And once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
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