- May 22, 2003
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Moderator, please do not merge this with another thread.
I am going to try to end this once and for all. AWA flight attendants, if you are reading this LISTEN UP and listen closesly. Tell all you AWA friends to read this and get informed.
First, Nobody is out to steal your job or seniority. US is only trying to SAVE what they have earned accured and deserve. If you have 5 years before the merger, you WILL have 5 years after...not 10 or another number that you DID NOT EARN, ACCRUE OR DESERVE. DOH is the only thing that will protect all of the AFA flight attendants.
Second, a furloughed US flight attendant is NOT going to bump you out of your base. IF (that is a big if) a furloughed US flight attendant accepts a postion at AWA, they are accepting as a NEW HIRE with NEW HIRE SENIORITY. Once we merger, they STILL have that NEW HIRE seniority.
Third, once their US seniority can now hold a spot (remeber not all will accept) I WOULD ASSUME (again my assumption) they would have to return to the EAST coast with their US seniority number OR stay further WEST with their new US (old AWA) seniority. Again, this is my assumption, but I am sure I am not off base.
Fourth, if date of hire is taken out (which it won't) why do you assume that things will be favorable to an AWA flight attendant? Things could get worse for you and the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are not done with the consolidating. There is a big possibility that we may merge or even acquire or be acquired by another airline. Taking DOH out is playing Russian Rullet. Are you willing to take that risk? Let's say AA buys us....we all know how that ended for TWA now don't we?Do you want that to happen to you? They claimed fairness, ask a former TWA flight attendant if that was fair.
Fifth,...a 20+ year fence???????? What on earth are you thinking?There is no way on this green earth that the "new" US management will allow that. How can you run an airline with that division? We fly many trips from other bases due to shortages, irregular ops etc... I can just see it now. "I am sorry, you are PHX based you cannot do this Rome trip even though you are right here and we need you. You are on the other side of the fence." I am sure you will have a fit then. Not everyone has 30 years at US and not everyone wants to come to PHX either. Plus, there has to be an OPENING for anyone to switch to ANY base. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT GET BUMPED OUT. Can you potentially lose that block that you are used to??,.....yes. When you have an airline with multiple bases, that happens. Ask the people in PHL how they have a block, then lose it, then have it, then lose it. That is how a BIG airline works. Get used to it, as you are about to be bigger than you ever thought possible. And lets say something happens in your life (you meet that special someone..I am being corny now) and you need to change bases, US has 6 for you to chose from...you have what???? One base! Why is that everyone assumes that everybody wants to come to PHX? I am quite sure you have many many flight attendants that want to come to the East coast. Again, you have one base PHX. We have LGA, DCA, BOS, PIT, PHL, and CLT. Maybe they don't appeal to you, but I am sure they do to many others. Don't fence yourselves out. A fence for a few years is suffice.
Lastly, what is going on now is ALREADY causing disstress amongst the 2 groups and if this continues, it will get worse. Considering the above statements, there is NO NEED for this now or in the future.
I think what might ease some minds is to find out how many PSA people are still commuting from the West coast. Does anybody know an exact figure or a rough ball park?
We (US) are not out to get you! We need you, like you need us. Let's make this work. We all pay $39 a month for union dues. The AFA BOD will make it's decision in October. Pending the outcome, we can DISCUSS it later and how to move FORWARD with the decision. You may not like the decision or maybe I won't. We will not be able to change it. Learn to ACCEPT the things you cannot change.
The attitudes on these boards is shameful at best. Yes, I even get mad and say things at times. We used to post on here and discuss aviaiton issues. Now with a few "newbies", all we do is fight and argue. We need to stop as we will be ONE in a matter of weeks.
I am going to try to end this once and for all. AWA flight attendants, if you are reading this LISTEN UP and listen closesly. Tell all you AWA friends to read this and get informed.
First, Nobody is out to steal your job or seniority. US is only trying to SAVE what they have earned accured and deserve. If you have 5 years before the merger, you WILL have 5 years after...not 10 or another number that you DID NOT EARN, ACCRUE OR DESERVE. DOH is the only thing that will protect all of the AFA flight attendants.
Second, a furloughed US flight attendant is NOT going to bump you out of your base. IF (that is a big if) a furloughed US flight attendant accepts a postion at AWA, they are accepting as a NEW HIRE with NEW HIRE SENIORITY. Once we merger, they STILL have that NEW HIRE seniority.
Third, once their US seniority can now hold a spot (remeber not all will accept) I WOULD ASSUME (again my assumption) they would have to return to the EAST coast with their US seniority number OR stay further WEST with their new US (old AWA) seniority. Again, this is my assumption, but I am sure I am not off base.
Fourth, if date of hire is taken out (which it won't) why do you assume that things will be favorable to an AWA flight attendant? Things could get worse for you and the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are not done with the consolidating. There is a big possibility that we may merge or even acquire or be acquired by another airline. Taking DOH out is playing Russian Rullet. Are you willing to take that risk? Let's say AA buys us....we all know how that ended for TWA now don't we?Do you want that to happen to you? They claimed fairness, ask a former TWA flight attendant if that was fair.
Fifth,...a 20+ year fence???????? What on earth are you thinking?There is no way on this green earth that the "new" US management will allow that. How can you run an airline with that division? We fly many trips from other bases due to shortages, irregular ops etc... I can just see it now. "I am sorry, you are PHX based you cannot do this Rome trip even though you are right here and we need you. You are on the other side of the fence." I am sure you will have a fit then. Not everyone has 30 years at US and not everyone wants to come to PHX either. Plus, there has to be an OPENING for anyone to switch to ANY base. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT GET BUMPED OUT. Can you potentially lose that block that you are used to??,.....yes. When you have an airline with multiple bases, that happens. Ask the people in PHL how they have a block, then lose it, then have it, then lose it. That is how a BIG airline works. Get used to it, as you are about to be bigger than you ever thought possible. And lets say something happens in your life (you meet that special someone..I am being corny now) and you need to change bases, US has 6 for you to chose from...you have what???? One base! Why is that everyone assumes that everybody wants to come to PHX? I am quite sure you have many many flight attendants that want to come to the East coast. Again, you have one base PHX. We have LGA, DCA, BOS, PIT, PHL, and CLT. Maybe they don't appeal to you, but I am sure they do to many others. Don't fence yourselves out. A fence for a few years is suffice.
Lastly, what is going on now is ALREADY causing disstress amongst the 2 groups and if this continues, it will get worse. Considering the above statements, there is NO NEED for this now or in the future.
I think what might ease some minds is to find out how many PSA people are still commuting from the West coast. Does anybody know an exact figure or a rough ball park?
We (US) are not out to get you! We need you, like you need us. Let's make this work. We all pay $39 a month for union dues. The AFA BOD will make it's decision in October. Pending the outcome, we can DISCUSS it later and how to move FORWARD with the decision. You may not like the decision or maybe I won't. We will not be able to change it. Learn to ACCEPT the things you cannot change.
The attitudes on these boards is shameful at best. Yes, I even get mad and say things at times. We used to post on here and discuss aviaiton issues. Now with a few "newbies", all we do is fight and argue. We need to stop as we will be ONE in a matter of weeks.
