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I was going to give him a pass on this but then his chief of staff resigns. What’s up with that? Seems to me he is either falling on the sword (like Scooter) to protect his boss or he is just a fall guy. What ever happened to the boss being responsible for the actions of their subordinates? The Attorney Gen serve at the pleasure of the POTUS and can be terminated at will for what ever reason (as far as I know). If improprieties took place in the Att Gen office, then should not the US attorney Gen be accountable for the actions of those who work under him? If he does not know that his chief of staff is firing 8 people, I would think that is grounds for incompetence.

It was stated that some were terminated for performance but according to their evaluations, they received very high marks. Like I said, I was going to give Gonzales a pass but now there just seem to be too many conflicting stories. And why would a chief of staff resign if nothing illegal was done? If it was just a simple mistake as Gonzales said, why can your chief of staff? People make mistakes. If it is as he said, this was jut a matter of how it was handled, not substance.

Something stinks about this whole thing.
 
SO WHAT!!! When Bill Clinton came into office, he fired ALL of the U.S. Attorney's he inherited from Bush 42'. When G.W. Bush came into office, he let many of Clinton's appointee's stay (something Democrats never do). It is a President or his administrations right to put who they want in these positions, just as it is a President's right to nominate justices for the supreme court. The liberls and their accomplices in the media want to try and make something of nothing here. These people are appointed and removed, NOT based on performance but by choice of the party who comes into and/or stays in office.

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Dell,

Take a breath. Did I not admit that the DOJ attorneys serve at the pleasure of the Pres (I see it on the 4th line)? The issue I have is why did the chief of staff resign if nothing wrong happened? Why did the US Attorney Gen office say that several who were terminated had poor performance yet those in question did not have poor evaluations? The administration made performance an issue, not the media. If mistakes are made it not the responsibility of the head of that department? Several people have already lost their job in the VA dept? Head of the VA, surgeon general of the VA to name two. IIRC the head of the VA was only there 6 months, hardly enough time to make any changes.
 
Garfield1966 said:
Dell,

Take a breath. Did I not admit that the DOJ attorneys serve at the pleasure of the Pres (I see it on the 4th line)? The issue I have is why did the chief of staff resign if nothing wrong happened? Why did the US Attorney Gen office say that several who were terminated had poor performance yet those in question did not have poor evaluations? The administration made performance an issue, not the media. If mistakes are made it not the responsibility of the head of that department? Several people have already lost their job in the VA dept? Head of the VA, surgeon general of the VA to name two. IIRC the head of the VA was only there 6 months, hardly enough time to make any changes.
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They don't pay dues either.
They are 'at will' employees.
F&(k em!
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Garfield1966 said:
Dell,

Take a breath. Did I not admit that the DOJ attorneys serve at the pleasure of the Pres (I see it on the 4th line)? The issue I have is why did the chief of staff resign if nothing wrong happened? Why did the US Attorney Gen office say that several who were terminated had poor performance yet those in question did not have poor evaluations? The administration made performance an issue, not the media. If mistakes are made it not the responsibility of the head of that department? Several people have already lost their job in the VA dept? Head of the VA, surgeon general of the VA to name two. IIRC the head of the VA was only there 6 months, hardly enough time to make any changes.
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Dude probably had enough of the political ass kissing that is rampant in jobs like that no matter what party is in,probably can make four times as much in the private sector too.
Besides...who gives a damn anyhow....
 
delldude said:
SO WHAT!!! When Bill Clinton came into office, he fired ALL of the U.S. Attorney's he inherited from Bush 42'.
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Interesting story. Too bad it's not true. K. Rove keeps trying to float this story, but it didn't happen. At Clinton's first or second term. But then Newsweek's description of Cheney fits Rove as well--vindictive prevaricator.

delldude said:
Dude probably had enough of the political ass kissing that is rampant in jobs like that no matter what party is in,probably can make four times as much in the private sector too.
Besides...who gives a damn anyhow....
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Because there is more than just passing evidence that the U.S. attorneys that were fired were being pressured to bring indictments against certain Democratic politicians before the elections. Because they did not yet have enough evidence to bring an indictment that would stick (personally, I think the Dems were guilty of the alleged offenses), they resisted the pressure. U.S. attorney's do, in fact, serve at the pleasure of POTUS. But, while they are in office they are supposed to be free of political influence. It makes our system of jurisprudence work better, don't you know.

But, evidently to you, political interference in the court system is perfectly valid when it's Republican political interference.
 
CSAR GYRENE said:
It seems to me I recall something about this....no one in the major press really seemed all that interested in a few Republican appointees losing their jobs back then. I just dont understand why they should care now all of a sudden. Hmmmmm must be part of the "vast right wing conspiracy" old whatsername keeps talking about.
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JMHO, there is a Right Wing agenda that is in lock step with the Left Wing agenda. Whatever 'figure heads' get installed, we still get hosed....

Haliburton Moves Headquarters To Dubai
More of our tax dollars going down the shitter for a single source contractor...WTF?

Cheney Addresses Troop Spending
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, lashed out at Democrats, accusing them of supporting U.S. troops in word but not in action. Cheney said, "anyone can say they support the troops, and we should take them at their word. But the proof will come when it's time to provide the money." Cheney called their reluctance to provide necessary fiscal support for troops a "slow bleed" strategy.
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DOH!!! :shock:
 
jimntx said:
Interesting story. Too bad it's not true. K. Rove keeps trying to float this story, but it didn't happen. At Clinton's first or second term. But then Newsweek's description of Cheney fits Rove as well--vindictive prevaricator.
Because there is more than just passing evidence that the U.S. attorneys that were fired were being pressured to bring indictments against certain Democratic politicians before the elections. Because they did not yet have enough evidence to bring an indictment that would stick (personally, I think the Dems were guilty of the alleged offenses), they resisted the pressure. U.S. attorney's do, in fact, serve at the pleasure of POTUS. But, while they are in office they are supposed to be free of political influence. It makes our system of jurisprudence work better, don't you know.

But, evidently to you, political interference in the court system is perfectly valid when it's Republican political interference.
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You're a funny dude....and you know not what you speak....do a little checking on slick willie and the first lesbian Atty Gen....

BTW...didn't bother me when slick willie did it and it doesn't bother me now....but looks like it got you by the 'nads :lol:


Hillary Explains Differences Between Attorney Purge And Clinton Firings

So what's the difference between the current Attorney Purge and the firings of U.S. Attorneys by Bill Clinton in the early ninties? It's not complicated, actually. Listen to someone who was there -- Hillary Clinton, that is -- explain it in an interview with ABC News:

"This is a great difference," she said. "When a new president comes in, a new president gets to clean house. It is not done on case-by-case basis where you didn't do something that some senator or member of Congress told you to do in terms of investigation into opponents. It is 'Let's start afresh.' Every president has done that.

"This happening now with this administration is actually quite rare," she went on. "There's been some research done that concluded it's hardly ever happens and it happened with so many people and it apparently was going to happen with more. We now are hearing stories that basially the White House wanted to change all the US Attorneys for political and personal reasons. I think this raises serious questions."

Nope, not complicated. Incidentally, in the interview Hillary also called for the resignation of Alberto Gonzales, becoming the second Dem Presidential candidate behind John Edwards to do so.

 
Now it is starting to make sense.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/16/fir...neys/index.html


"Eventually, the Justice Department pushed out U.S. attorneys in eight judicial districts, replacing them with interim appointees. This sparked outrage on Capitol Hill over the rare midterm shakeup and spurred calls for Gonzales' resignation from several Democratic senators and one Republican."



It seems that interm apointments to the DOJ do not need congrsional confirmation according to the lovely new Patriot Act. Niffty litte trick.




"The interim appointments were made under a provision of the antiterrorist USA Patriot Act, which says the interim appointees can serve indefinitely without the normal Senate confirmation."

"Among those calling for Gonzales to step down was Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor, who said Thursday that Gonzales lied about plans for the U.S. attorney's position in Arkansas. He said Gonzales told the Senate Judiciary Committee the Bush administration planned to replace prosecutors appointed on an interim basis with nominees who would be confirmed by the Senate."




Gonzales said he did not know about the plans to by -pass congress. W just seems to have a knack of stepping into pile after pile. I wonder if W will dump Gonzales like he dumped Rumsfeld?
 
Bush's Monica problem

This story just keeps getting better.

In a nut shell. Card and Gonzales go to a hospital room where Attorney General Ashcroft is recovering from major surgery. They try to convince him to sign a document extending the wire taps which Ashcroft has said he felt were illegal. Keep in mind he is recovering from major surgery so he is probably on some good drugs. Mean while, back at the ranch, the Deputy Attorney General (who is acting AG while Ashcroft is in recovery) is having a meeting with DOJ top officials who are all considering resigning over what is at the very least unethical behavior by the Bush administration.

Now we know why Bush Co. accepted the restrictions on the wire taping. If e did not, he would have had to explain a possible mass resignation from the DOJ.

Now, we have Monica. She is a graduate of a bush league law school where over 50% of her class failed the bar exam being hired on at the DOJ to make important decisions and based those decisions on political beliefs. I guess she must have skipped the day they spoke about ethics in class.

There are also implications that the top law enforcement officer in the country was TRYING TO COACH A WITTNESS. I guess he skipped class as well that day.

It would have been better if Monica just would have given Bush a blow job and called it a day.

And you people have to wonder why we want Bush out of office? He whole lot of them would not know what ethic were if it cam up and bit them on the a$$.
 
5th justice official resigns amid the firing scandal. Seems when the W administration screws up, they don;t do it half ass like they do everything else.

Number 5 and counting

I'm going to miss W when he is gone. The republicans always have the best scandals. Best the Dems can do is BJ in the Oval. The repubs trade arms for hostages, obstruction (Scooter) and now the DOJ. Gotta love em.
 
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