Checking it Out said:
Concessions come in many forms.
And the TWU should know, they have developed and granted all of them.
Under the union concept it is Unity and long-term employment.
Oh really? Where is that in the Constitution? The Union concept is fair wages and benifits. The idea of sacrificing wages for full employment is a RTW concept. It seems that CIO is a little confused.
The Industry is going thru some major changes and long-term survival ship is in Question.
Same excuse as always, but with the TWU those changes always include more concessions. For the TWU International its worked out well, they get more members plus a $3.1 million dollar kick back from the company. Lets not forget that the TWU did and told the guys at Pan Am the same things. Those leaders were rewarded with lifetimes positions as union officers while the members were ripped off until the day they shut the doors anyway.
If you review the average wages in the Industry it has become obvious that many A&P are willing to go and start at General Aviation wages while working on the Majors aircraft.
Yes but we pay dues and join unions in the hope that we can do better. Thats not the case with the TWU, we may as well take two hours gross wages every month and flush them down the toilet with leaders like this.
Amfa has chosen to outsource work to satisfy the few while the TWU has chosen to ensure long-term survival ship for the Majority with a reasonable expectation of returning to work when on layoff.
Thats a lie. AA spends more on outsourcing than ANY other company despite having the lowest average mechanics wage of all the majors. We just read recently where 150 NWA mechanics were returned to work with full back pay, in the meantime we are still losing coworkers.
The majority of the TWU membership voted to except the last concessionary agreement even though they did not like it.
Hey dummy, I think you meant "accept". If they voted to "except" it then they rejected it. Its not very comforting knowing that someone who is barely literate is helping to write our contract language.
It was held up in court (some will dispute this).
What was held up in court? The only thing that happened in court was that a preliminary injunction was rejected. The fact is the validity of the vote was never challenged through a trial.
But the fact still remains it was ratified.
Yes, with Jim Littles signature.
This has been going on for many years and is unfortunately in the companies favor.
And without doubt the TWU has contributed to that. They have been Industry Leading in Concessions for twenty years.
You have no choice when you have more qualified A&P's wanting work and the average wage in the Industry is well below your current wage.
If thats the case then why do we need to pay the TWU 2 hours pay per month if its all predetermined anyway?
Myself I do not believe their is a need for any more concessions and I look forward to getting back some of our benefits.
Did you believe that we needed to give them in the first place? Are you saying that we were not giving AA a fair value for their money? That we deserved less?Especially after seeing that management was taking good care of themselves? Despite the inflated losses ? Despite Littles own admission that they were "more than adequate". Shouldnt the TWU have given back the $3.1 million and let us keep something else?
This will happen when individuals realize that they have been dividing the membership and AA has used this to their benefit.
Individuals like Koziatek and Little who create all these subclasses of workers earning different pay rates at the same location doing the same work? Who pit the line stations against overhaul by not taking into consideration the economic disparity that is the result of locality? Who fragment the locals to the point where they are economically dependant on the company?
The TWU cares about the line stations, it is the misguided individuals who have preached this misconception.
Oh really, tell us how. Your buddy just got done on one of the other threads telling us to stay out of Tulsa business. They only care about the dues they get from us.
Once you diss-associate yourself from the TWU Vs. Amfa battle you will see the obvious. Hopeful you have let this issue eat at you so bad you have lost sight of the damage this division you and the rest have caused.
Could you be specific? I gave specifics as to how the TWU caused division, tell us how we have caused division? I guess you feel that we should just shut up and accept whatever figures the Tulsa E-Board deems apropriate for Tulsa as good enough for us.
Enough is enough when WE are all going in the same direction!!!!
And what direction are you going? We want to go up, you want to go down. We will all go up, once we get AMFA.
I believe after extensive talks with Jim Little his passion runs deep and he is committed to change! Have an open mind and get involved. You will be amazed what you can achieve.
We have heard all that many, many times before.
I want you to see how many Amfa members are willing to picket next week! Than you will see the destruction Amfa has caused!! Anything less than 50% of the active Amfa members (18,000) is a complete failure!!!!!
Is that why the TWU is so reluctant to picket? When was the last time the TWU ever had a turnout of 50%? So in other words every TWU event is a complete failure?
This is their job they are talking about and Amfa has up to 11,000 thousand members on Layoff and over 35,000 retires!! So it should be no problem for them to generate the large volume of picketers.
And where are you getting your numbers from? The TWU even teaches new officers that at best you can expect a 10% active membership. Why are your numbers for AMFA so different than what you realistacally expect at the TWU?
