IAM Fleet Service topic

[niblet]

Personal damage, to me and a thousands of other 'Ramp Professionals'. Instead of status quo we got PDOs, no holidays, and lost Cargo and Express. Seniority went backward.

Carry on.

Sounds just personal. I didnt see you state any facts.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Personal damage, to me and a thousands of other 'Ramp Professionals'. Instead of status quo we got PDOs, no holidays, and lost Cargo and Express. Seniority went backward.

Carry on.

and you are saying that I was solely responsible because of two unions, [that I wasn't even associated with] nuking eachother in a campaign? Dog Wonder, I was not the one responsible for the failed organizing attempts by other unions.

At any rate, your timelines are incredibly wrong. The damage of PDO's, no holidays, lost cargo, etc., was a result of the union loss back in 1989 in which case employees decided to vote out the Teamsters. Your company was doing bad, the IAM went on strike, and alpa took a 8% pay cut. I can't remember if your company applied that pay cut before the pilots or not. But the PDO's and pension came long before '94.

Before all of that, I sacrificed my own time and put my job on the line since I didn't have a union, and everything to do my best to prevent the decert of the IBT. When the IBT decert happened, it wasn't long after that you got your PDO's and had your pension frozen. Cargo and express was lost in the early 90's and caused some folks to get bumped to ORD. And that is why more folks jumped back on board trying to get a union again, including me. But the 'status quo' = PDO's, even after the IAM was successful in 1995 until April 1999.

I don't have all the answers and maybe if we only went with one union instead of 3 or 4 we might have had quicker success and not as splintered. Maybe you are right and things would have worked out quicker if I didn't push the independent and others didn't push the IAM, USWA, IBT. I dunno. But that's not how it all came down.

Moving forward, we have to keep our eyes on the prize, looking straight ahead, but the truth remains, you need someone who has a proven and unmatched record of leading this union when given the full authority and responsibility to lead an entire arm of this District. If you have a better idea, then please share it.

Onward!

Tim Nelson

 

[700UW]

Are you denying the fact you started your own union and filed short of cards?

And the blood bath of non-union workers occurred in 1992, not 1989.

The concession imposed on fleet were in 1992 after ALPA agreed to concessions.

 

[niblet]

Tim Nelson has my vote and any ticket he puts together. He's been a voice of the people and has a track record. How many union groups can say they added members. Its about getting the job done. Its tough to discredit before you hold an office but once in the office, if you dont produce then its time to change. The ND hasnt produced and has a lot of excuses. Its been three years. I say Tim Nelson and a evenly balanced ticket is great move.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Sounds just personal. I didnt see you state any facts.

Personal for thousands, the ones that lived and worked through it.

 

[niblet]

Personal for thousands, the ones that lived and worked through it.

I've been around since "87". I was a teamster. I went through all the campaigns, saw all the debates. I saw who was for the steelworkers. I knew about the employee union. I know who fought for all the unions. Not one campaign caused the loss of the union(teamsters). It was CLT and the lack of votes coming from the south. The north voted strong. Over the years workers have become more attuned to having a union. CLT included. Now we have the opportunity to control the district with equality. I know my vote will count.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Are you denying the fact you started your own union and filed short of cards?

And the blood bath of non-union workers occurred in 1992, not 1989.

The concession imposed on fleet were in 1992 after ALPA agreed to concessions.

Nobody denied that I supported an independent union and filed short on cards. And, there is nothing wrong with unions not affiliated with the AFLCIO. Nonetheless, the independent union was affiliated with the TWU. Cripes, hasn't the IAM, TWU, and IBT filed short on cards a countless amount of times also? I even filed short on cards in 2009 with Airtran. Folks sign cards to get an election so when cards start expiring, the previous campaign needs closure, so unions, including me, have filed short numerous times. It's normal and customary in organizing.

But, at any rate, I never filed any cards with fleet service at your company, so don't let the facts get in your way 700. The USWA, IBT, IAM were free to organize however they wanted. The problem and bottom line was that the majority of workers simply did not want a union before 1994. And I do think that having many unions involved, even if it meant them all nuking eachother, was the way to go. The Teamsters even said, "F*** the USWA".

At any rate, like I said, the bloodbath started in the early 90's so, I agree with you there. But 1989 was when fleet lost a union.

Onward!

Tim Nelson

 

[IAM Informer]

funny I remember CLT not being very sold on the union idea and it took 3 unions and a whole lot of organizers just to get cards signed
but yet somehow thats all one man's fault. Sorry dog it sounds like you got a personal beef with nelson but hey its a free country

 

[Dog Wonder]

funny I remember CLT not being very sold on the union idea and it took 3 unions and a whole lot of organizers just to get cards signed
but yet somehow thats all one man's fault. Sorry dog it sounds like you got a personal beef with nelson but hey its a free country

No beef with Tim. I have known him for years. What started this whole discussion was my contempt for infighting and the damage it has done.

Tim was the only one to jump in and claim the infighting makes the union stronger.

His history proves him wrong.

Welcome to the board.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No beef with Tim. I have known him for years. What started this whole discussion was my contempt for infighting and the damage it has done.

Tim was the only one to jump in and claim the infighting makes the union stronger.

His history proves him wrong.

Welcome to the board.

And what you say is infighting, I say is a result and witness to those in authority. The leader of any labor organization is primarily charged with building solidarity and that hasn't happened. The reason why there may not be solidarity is because the union leadership that you have continued to have does not believe in informed consent and sending knowledge and information to the masses. Thus, nobody ever knows what the hell is going on.

There is little to no communication and it is intentional. They want the masses scattered.

Again, don't peg the lack of solidarity on me, I'm not the one getting paid the big bucks and has the authority and responsibility to build it. I know how to build solidarity and my leadership role proved it with the authority I had.

What you claim as infighting, in some ways, is really democracy in motion. Democracy often has a dirty face but it is well worth it.

Onward!

Tim Nelson

 

[Tim Nelson]

funny I remember CLT not being very sold on the union idea and it took 3 unions and a whole lot of organizers just to get cards signed
but yet somehow thats all one man's fault. Sorry dog it sounds like you got a personal beef with nelson but hey its a free country

If there weren't 3 unions on the ballot, it would have been another year or two before the ramp unionized. The hate between the USWA and IBT was really intense but it was needed in a twisted way.

At any rate, 20 years later we have a unique opportunity in this district to have our US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters as equal partners and not second best. Our UA brothers and sisters are also supportive of the ticket I support because of its platform which will hand over the control of the district to the masses immediately after we win. No more confidentiality agreements, no more letters of agreement without employee consent, no more arbitrations or negotiations without an attorney 'present physically' for ALL sessions, employee observers in negotiations, up to $500,000 in pledges from myself and all AGC's pledging back and doing away with the nonsensical high salaries, each hub having it's own AGC that doesn't have any other station, and the list goes on.

We have to occupy the District before we can address the more important things. Gone will be the uncalled for greed and wallstreetness in our District.

Onward!

Tim

 

[necigrad]

Again, don't peg the lack of solidarity on me, I'm not the one getting paid the big bucks and has the authority and responsibility to build it. I know how to build solidarity and my leadership role proved it with the authority I had.

Solidarity is everyones responsibility. They fact that you aren't in a position with the union now doesn't change that. You're just as responsible as everyone else from Delaney to Joe Ramper for solidarity. You should know this.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Solidarity is everyones responsibility. They fact that you aren't in a position with the union now doesn't change that. You're just as responsible as everyone else from Delaney to Joe Ramper for solidarity. You should know this.

necigrad, I know I'm responsible for solidarity but in the context of my statement of 'building solidarity', those who are being paid and have the authority are vested with much more responsibility. To say otherwise is simply nonsensical. When I was Director of Organizing, I was free to build solidarity by team building on a full time basis and we built it up to winning levels. The Head Coach always has more responsibility since he/she has the authority and lead responsibility.

Onward!

Tim

 

[JackaBilly]

Can anyone tell me who is running? Should'nt the membership know this by now? And who is DA and MC and DL? Man this s**t is confusing. I guess its suppose to be.

 

[JackaBilly]

And can someone tell me the face book pages that deal with the union and its officials?