IAM Lies TWA Seniority

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I've now come across three (3) FSCs who have told me the IAM is saying they will work to restore full seniority for TWA fleet and mechanics. This is beyond ludicrous, I know the IAM pushed this theory before the alliance to get cards signed. There are only 400-500 TWA FSCs left in the system primarily at JFK, LGA, STL and a few in LAX/MIA. The past is the past, the IAM sold them out and won't be able to make them whole. Time to move on and hope the same doesn't happen with USAIR.

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Funny two FSCs at LAX told me this yesterday, one ex-TW and one nAAtive and they said a TWU official told them.

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737823 said:
I've now come across three (3) FSCs who have told me the IAM is saying they will work to restore full seniority for TWA fleet and mechanics. This is beyond ludicrous, I know the IAM pushed this theory before the alliance to get cards signed. There are only 400-500 TWA FSCs left in the system primarily at JFK, LGA, STL and a few in LAX/MIA. The past is the past, the IAM sold them out and won't be able to make them whole. Time to move on and hope the same doesn't happen with USAIR.

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BS
 
I'm retired exTWA. I think most on this board know that.-----That being said, I don't believe it will ever happen! And if it did, it would, in reality,it would be only symbolic, I don't believe there are enough exTWAer's left to make that much of a difference anyway! ------- Would it be justified? ------ You bet it would!!! My question would be how is this merger going to effect them with the Kasher ruling still in effect? And what would the IAM/ TWU do about it, if anything?
 
They spent $6 million in fighting for the FAs.
 
The APFA reneged on the deal and even Glading says what they did was wrong.
 
The IAM and all unions at TWA had to waive the LPPs or AA wouldnt have bought them and everyone would have been out of a job.
 
The other IAM groups went to arbitration, and read the Kasher decision, how is an independent arbitrator's decision the IAM's fault?
 
And they did not solicit cards upon the pretense of getting the former TWA employees their seniority back, its a done deal as is how the seniority integration will work at the New AA.
 
So once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
 
700UW said:
They spent $6 million in fighting for the FAs.
 
The APFA reneged on the deal and even Glading says what they did was wrong.
 
The IAM and all unions at TWA had to waive the LPPs or AA wouldnt have bought them and everyone would have been out of a job.
 
The other IAM groups went to arbitration, and read the Kasher decision, how is an independent arbitrator's decision the IAM's fault?
 
And they did not solicit cards upon the pretense of getting the former TWA employees their seniority back, its a done deal as is how the seniority integration will work at the New AA.
 
So once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
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It is not a done deal, as far as the seniority integration is concerned.  There hasn't been a ruling on the SCS yet and your calling it a done deal?  Don't you mean it's a done deal IF---big word here chief-IF this alliance is either forced upon the members OR-another big word for you-OR if the members vote for the alliance.  How can you call it a done deal?  Do you have more "inside" information that you are not willing to share with the members?  You are the exact example of how hard someone will work to keep a bad union in place rather than to put your efforts into doing what is right for the membership.  At least Bob has the balls to speak the truth and NOT mislead his members like you are trying to do and it doesn't even affect you, or does it???
 
Hey 700UW, sometimes you just have to let it go man....seems everyone from bankers to employees of other airlines know more about what is happening at American than the actual employees. Because being employed here means you have no clue as to what is going on! We all know that within two years according to the boneheads on this board, American soon will be non existent and Delta will be the only airline left! Have an awesome day Bro!
 
700UW said:
The IAM and TWU have signed off on a seniority agreement, its a done deal.
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/US-AA_SIL.pdf
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It is NOT a done deal.  It will be a done deal IF this alliance goes thru.  If another union is voted in during the election process after the NMB gives it's ruling, there should be an election.  If the NMB allows this thing to go forward yet again without a membership vote I would expect to see complete uproar from the AA and US mechanics and possibly a suit to fix it.  
1-The NMB could rule yes to a SCS, but could add that there should be a run off between TWU and IAM.
2-The NMB could rule yes to SCS, and call for an election between TWU/IAM and the Alliance.
3-The NMB could rule yes to SCS, and agree with the alliance folks and force it upon the members without a vote, which would be really bad.
Either example above should get AMFA time to turn in cards to be put on the ballot or at least have the chance of being wrote-in in the other block.   If  1 or 2 happens then it could very well be that the TWU, the IAM or AMFA alone could end up being the representational union when this is all said and done.  I am just saying that your claim to the "it's a done deal"  is not a true statement.  Trust me if the TWU wins the integration will in fact lean towards their members favor, they have proven this during the TWA integration.  The IAM?  Not sure quite what they might do.  And YES the IAM could very well win the election as a write in or if on the ballot as a choice.  There are enough pissed off TWU members to scared to go AMFA and afraid of being told they will lose their pensions ect... And if they were to win the election and regain full representational rights to the new AA'ers, just maybe the IAM might pull a little payback during the seniority integration as the TWU pulled on the TWA,  Hmmm, sweet justice maybe??  You never know.  Also If AMFA is voted in, AMFA will follow the law to a tee and start nego's and be controled by what the membership wants, just like the SWA and AT integration.  Now stop right there, I am not saying it will go like it did at SWA/AT, what I am saying is it will go the way the majority of the membership wants it to go.  I still say AMFA organizers need to put it in writing that they are willing to represent the same seniority integration as the new alliance would to keep things running smooth.   A little long winded but now you get the point.  All this is a waste of time (and only as you may know already and will not share) if they force this alliance upon the new AA membership and then I would expect to see some major uproar and chaos if it is announced this way from the NMB and the representation at the new AA will be pathetic at it's worst with 2 unions in-fighting and power tripping over each-other that the membership will lose out in the end----PERIOD!!!
 
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