Iraq Collapsing

[MCI transplant]

I think the point is that these pols are quite comfortable sending other peoples kids into combat.  Were their kids in the armed forces and on the front line (not defending IN) perhaps these pols would be less inclined to send kids off to die. 

Tree, I know, and respect, where your comming from, and I agree with you on a lot of what you said about the past. ------- But, you can't just hide your head in the sand and denie that there are a lot of bad guys out there that what to harm us! ------ I'm waiting for an answeer to my question to Dog,------" What happens after the next 9/11"?

 

[WorldTraveler]

What business did we or do have in Iraq?  Even Cheney said we should not have gone in.  Granted that was in 1994.  Perhaps he should have listened to his own advice.  Iraq never posed a risk.  Certainly no more of a risk than N Korea.  How many US soldiers must doe for this failed experiment?  How much money needs to be wasted?  How much money is wasted in N Korea every year?  We already blew over $1,000,000,000,000 in Iraq.  How much more?  For what? 
 
Pulling out of Iraq was one of the few things that Obama did that I agree with.

regardless of whether it was right to go in the first place or not, it is ten times worse to have not kept at least some amount of peace-keeping forces to ensure the investment that the US did make is not thrown out the door.

The worst scenario is exactly what could happen - hundreds of US personnel killed in Iraq, billions of dollars spent, and the situation is as bad as if we had never gone.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Answeer all the questions Dog! ----- What about yours?------- What we're talking about isn't going back. It's Obama's failure in not keeping a back up force there to begin with!

My kids aren't volunteering to go to war so Romney can keep his campaign promises.  In the very unlikely event he will ever get the chance.

 

[Ms Tree]

Tree, I know, and respect, where your comming from, and I agree with you on a lot of what you said about the past. ------- But, you can't just hide your head in the sand and denie that there are a lot of bad guys out there that what to harm us! ------ I'm waiting for an answeer to my question to Dog,------" What happens after the next 9/11"?

Yes there are and going into Iraq made it worse not better.  Sadam, the butt head that he was did not like the Taliban.  They were enemies.  No one in Iraq was looking to blow us up. The SOB's from 9/11 were Saudi but they are our friends right?  The people who want to harm us do not need Iraq as an excuse.  They have our meddling in the ME for decades for that.  They have our support for Israel.  They have a litany of crap. 
 
What pisses me off is the fact that we are essentially hired mercenaries (cheap ones at that) for the oil companies.  We are their to defense mineral rights and yet we are not getting a dime for all the blood spilled there.  I laughed my butt off when Bush said the Iraqi oil would pay for the monetary costs.  I knew that was a load of crap. 
 
Iraq was a cluster ph uck) from day one.  No plan, no exist plan no reason to be there.  How long should we stay.  Conservatives are up in arms about us being in debt but Iraq is a worthy expense?  That's insane.

 

[Ms Tree]

regardless of whether it was right to go in the first place or not, it is ten times worse to have not kept at least some amount of peace-keeping forces to ensure the investment that the US did make is not thrown out the door.

The worst scenario is exactly what could happen - hundreds of US personnel killed in Iraq, billions of dollars spent, and the situation is as bad as if we had never gone.

 
Sure, wasted $1 trillion so we need to justify that by wasting how much more?  What is enough?  We have been in Korea for over 50 years.  How long do we stay in Iraq?  And don't dare say till it's fixed because they have been fighting for 4,000 years.  It will never be fixed. 
 
The worst case scenario is killing more US soldiers to prove that the previous soldiers did not die in vain.  You see how that is a self perpetuating cluster ph uck right?  The soldiers who died are dead.  Nothing brings them back.  Making the pile of bodies bigger only makes the pile bigger and more parents childless.
 
It's a trillion dollars.  Not billions.  Stop trying to white wash it.  It is as bad as if we never went.  Cheney said as much in 1994.  Too bad no one listened.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Dog, it all boils down to the fact that there are only two types of people in this world! ------ Givers, and takers! ---- And you Sir, are definitely a "taker"!

In your simple mind, everything is black and white.

 

[delldude]

Notice it is Sunni's?
 
That's who ran it before.

 

[777 fixer]

It sure is a good thing we pulled all those troop out three years ago, eh?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/insurgents-in-northern-iraq-push-toward-major-oil-installations/2014/06/11/3983dd22-f162-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27809051#TWEET1155209

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27789770

And now, we're evacuating our embassy?...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/desperate-iraq-asks-for-us-airstrikes-as-us-prepar/


Looks like this is yet another thing that Romney had right.

 
So E whose kids are you willing to sacrifice in that quagmire?  What would the goals be?  Other than provide fanatics something to shot at and blow up.

 

[777 fixer]

So, the only qualification for being able to make a sound decision on going to war rests with those whose kids serve?...

That would rule out just about everyone in the liberal elite, including Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Reid.

At least I get a vote.

 
I don't recall Obama protesting in favor of a war and when his turn came getting a deferment to spread his faith.  That would be Romney.

 

[777 fixer]

You what to tell us about your military experiances Dog?------- What branch of the service were you in?----- Did you see any action? I put my time in so my kids wouldn't have to! ------ What's your excuess?

 
Dog Wonder isn't the one saying we should have kept troops in Iraq now is he?

 

[delldude]

 
I don't recall Obama protesting in favor of a war and when his turn came getting a deferment to spread his faith.  That would be Romney.

 
That stuff was all over by the time Obama was of draft age...in fact it was dead then...

 

[delldude]

 
Three Republican congressmen who served in Iraq—Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Doug Collins of Georgia, and Brad Wenstrup of Ohio—said it feels like the progress they made has been thrown away.

 

"Going out across the desert I remember the feelings that you have, wondering if you're going to make it out alive," Perry said. "Right now I wonder what that was all about. What was the point of all of that?"

 

[SparrowHawk]

How many BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars and lives would we have saved if we had a foreign policy of non-intervention. Would Iraq have ended up in a better place then they are headed?
 
The answer to that question is "Who knows". However in terms of resources expended by the USA the answer is crystal clear that we would be in far better shape economically. Once again Ron Paul was right.

 

[ChockJockey]

The second Iraqi War was never winnable, and Afghanistan probably isn't "winnable" either.  You can't stabilize these countries without stabilizing the region, and that region is immune to stabilization.  This probably wouldn't be happening in Iraq right now if the Syria conflict had not been going on for as long as it has, but Syria is another conflict in which there is no clear or immediate solution.
 
A time would come where Iraq would have to stand or fall on its own; the cost and commitment of keeping it on life support with an indefinite military occupation could never be repaid, and would eventually play into the hands of jihadists who have no problem hunkering in for as along as it takes while a superpower bleeds itself dry.  They have experience in that.

 

[777 fixer]

 
That stuff was all over by the time Obama was of draft age...in fact it was dead then...

 
That's not the point.  The point was Romney was the one and now he's saying we should have stayed in a country tearing itself apart in sectarian bloodshed.