Labor Is Divided

Bob Owens

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The following is from a transcript from the Lou Dobbs show where they interviewed Andy Stern, head of the SEIU, the largest union in the country.

Andy Stern;

"The labor union is divided. We have 30 unions in hospitals, 15 in transportation. We've seen what's happened when we're not organized and united in the airline industry. So I think there is a plan. We've seen it in our own union. We've made the tough choices. And now we're going to build a global union at SEIU, because in a new global economy, we need global unions that reward work for workers around the world."


Seems that Andy agrees with me. The divided labor movement is responsible for the state we are in. Is it the members fault that their leaders keep them divided? Maybe, partially but what options were they given?

My constant push for uniting airline workers got me removed from office, not by my members, but by the International.


Five years ago I wrote a letter to AFL-CIO President John Sweeney urging him to assist in uniting airline workers.

John Sweeney came from the SEIU.

His office contacted me about the letter right away. The person who contacted me now works for the SEIU once again.

This contact person told me that Sweeney was very much in favor of my ideas but that the AFL-CIO could not push for such a reform, the organization is not structured that way, they do not have authority over unions. He did however encourage me to pursue this from within, which I did.


In our last conversation this contact told me that there is no way that airline workers will ever be united unless they leave the TWU, IAM, IBT etc and form a new union. He said that the leaders of these unions would never voluntarily give up dues payers even if the workers in this industry would benifit.

Over the four years that I was in office I had discussed this idea of merging all the airline workers into one union with Jim Little, Mike Bakala, Sonny Hall, Sito Pantoja and any other union leader I came across, along with any airline worker I came across. Not one person ever said it was a bad idea and everyone said they would like to see it, even Sonny Hall.

So why wont it happen?

Greed.

When I reapproached Sonny Hall with this idea, two months before he removed me from office under the charge of dual unionism, (the trial committe concluded that my push to unite airline workers under one union could "only" mean that I was pushing for AMFA since "no such union exists")he said that he thought it was a great idea, in fact he was trying to work out a merger between the TWU and the ATU (Two transit unions). He claims that the resistance was from "those just below" him. That he could not get those under him to agree to a move that could lessen the opportunities for other International officers to move up. I told him to bring it directly to the members, that he should not put the greed of a few dozen well paid International officers ahead of the welfare of thousands of workers (these are the same officers who claim that we should all take massive paycuts so the company might not lay off as many workers.)

The reason why Airline workers remain divided is to keep a few dozen union leaders very comfortable. These guys are the "epitomy of hypocrisy". Every one of them knows what should be done, what needs to be done, what MUST be done but they will fight tooth and nail to make sure that it will never happen.

Jim Little, the Master of deciet, more slimy and repulsive than an East River eel sent us literature claiming that we should stay with the TWU because they are AFL-CIO affiliated, yet at every oppoirtunity he shifts blame for his inaction on the AFL-CIO. He knows damn well that if he asked the AFL-CIO to do something they would try, but he wont ask.

Last week workers at AA asked Bobby Gless why all the AFL-CIO unions dont get together and fight, he said "It will never happen, there is no way you will ever get all these unions on the same page".

Sonny Hall shed a little more light on this during a recent deposition where he claimed that AMFA is not a competing Union because they dont play by the rules of the AFL-CIO. The IAM and Teamsters are competitors. AMFA he said "Is a raiding organization. (Sonny feels that raiding is worse than lowering wages in a race to put other companies out of business)

Ok, so how do these AFL-CIO unions compete if they can not solicit members from each other? He said they were competitors, not allies, as we have been led to believe, but competitors.

They compete by helping the companies grow at the expense of their competitor unions thats how! So who benifits from this type of competitions? THE COMPANIES!!!!!

One of the things that unions like the TWU,IAM and IBT love about having airline workers is the RLA which supersedes state RTW laws, all workers under the RLA are bound to a union security clause and the vauge class definitions and geographic disbursement of members makes it hard to organize any systemwide movement for change, at least until the internet.

Andy Sterm is right, the airline workers are suffereing because the labor movement is so fractured, and they adhere to an abomidable twisted form of competition where the companies benifit at the expense of the workers. We can not change this system from within, the barrieres to change are too formidable and the best results that could ever be expected fall short of what is really needed. We need to start anew and join unions that will consolidate the labor movement in this industry into an effective force. At this time we can work towards that by joining the AGW or AMFA.

While Any Stern may not be politically courageous enough to come right out and say "join AMFA and the AGW" it does fit in perfectly with what he is saying. Airline workers need to consolidate, and it will only happen if we leave unions like the TWU, IAM and IBT.
 
Hmmm... Sounds a lot like "workers of the world, unite".

That's also the closing sentence of Karl Marx's Manifesto.

Coincidence?
 
I am no Communist/Socialist nor a Karl Marx supporter, but I do agree with the post Bob Owens has made.

I know when the big company man on the board shows up to ridicule an idea, that means the idea would likely succeed and the reason the company men do not agree.

There has to be some balance against the rich for the working man. And it is obvious that we need a change of some kind.

However, my perception is that the demise of the current structure is also related to the over reliance on politics and the union leadership advocation of socialist political ideals.

I think for the unions to survive, there should be second step in the process.

#1. Consolidate as Bob and Stern mentioned.

#2. Stop telling the members the solutions are on Capital Hill.

Playing politics in today's system of "money is speech" against the rich, is about as effective and as having a company union.

Read a little history and you will find that the political and economical gains of the working man were due to strife, not yard signs and campaign contributions.
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
Hmmm... Sounds a lot like "workers of the world, unite".

That's also the closing sentence of Karl Marx's Manifesto.

Coincidence?
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It is more like Aircraft Technicians unite! What Andy Stern said, and what Bob Owens has been saying for years makes perfect sense. The iam,twu & ibt are fighting against each other for the sake of dues and not caring about the well being of their members.

The iam, twu & ibt are structured like a good old boy's club. Look at the twu's structure. jim little LIES to the members and says that we will have a full revote but then does a 180 and accepts concessions to "save" jobs. Hey, let's remove little from office... oops, we can't do that he was never elected by the membership in the first place.

If union officials agree that our profession should be under one roof, a craft roof, and don't do anything to achieve that goal then they are not true union men. Only greedy, self serving individuals.

Perhaps bobby gless will step up to the plate and try and unite all AMTs under one craft union. But that would require his being able to talk to AMTs. Maybe he could start in JFK?

Unions in the airlines are not only greedy but also inept. They hide behind their constitutions, and an alias when posting on the internet, and claim the afl-cio will not help. This very thinking will doom industrial unions in the airlines. Industrial unions can not dictate wage/benefits for their members, they can only protect the international's pay/benefits.

AMFA is not a raiding union. If ANY industrial union official says this they are either stupid, ignorant or brain dead. (Perhaps all three.) Where is it in AMFA's constitution that says the membership is NOT the union? Why should not all AMTs be in ONE craft union? Eight airlines have already voted in AMFA as their union of choice. twu officers say AMFA is bad but I do not see any twu drives at these eight airlines? All I see from the twu is unelected international officers and OSMs.
 
Industrial Unionist call AMFA Organizing a "RAID", because they are in complete denial that their own members wish to rid themselves of the company unionism.

It is only through dastardly deeds, and unethical behavior that they survive, er uh, collect dues.

I now see what the "political lobby" does for the union. They lobby the National Mediation Board to protect the institution from the uprising of the membership. Meanwhile, they try to have us believe they are lobbying for worker protections.

The UNELECTED, UNACCOUNTABLE, and GOVERNMENT PROTECTED Union Officials appear more like a Marx's Manifesto in works, rather than a United States of America freedom organization operating under the LMRDA.

Sad thing you know, that nearly 1500 young soldiers have been killed giving the Iraq Peoples the right to have an election. Meanwhile our own Government refused the Aircraft Mechanics the same right to choose via certified ballot over here on our own soil.

Maybe the United States of America Government should practice at home, what it is advocating abroad?
 

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