Let The Games Begin!

[Rogallo]

Tighten those belts good and tight folks, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!!!  
 
First ones out.......F/A's
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-us-airways-flight-attendant-223349590.html

 

[eolesen]

Bad reporting... the article didn't bother to make the distinction that Roger Holmin isn't the president of the USAirways Group.... he's the president of the USAirways flight attendants union.

 

[FWAAA]

Here is a more detailed article:
 
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2013/11/a-flight-attendant-feud-is-brewing-between-american-and-us-airways-unions.html
 
While there may be a few APFA members willing to vote out the APFA, I doubt there are enough,.  
 
You'd think that some of the AFA-CWA US flight attendants would be dissatisfied that it took the AFA so many years to finally negotiate its 2012 contract.   They were the lowest paid legacy FAs for several years.  

 

[WorldTraveler]

anyone really wonder why labor conflict has long been considered one of the biggest risk factors involved in airline mergers?

 

[eolesen]

Hmmm, having gone thru a few mergers, you do realize there are only a small handful of "the largest risks" to pick from.

1) Financial over-leveraging
2) Labor unrest
3) Ego wars/culture clashes amongst senior management
4) IT systems incompatibility
5) Alienating your customers

Yep, with a list that long, you really went out on a limb with your prediction, WT......

 

[MetalMover]

anyone really wonder why labor conflict has long been considered one of the biggest risk factors involved in airline mergers?

Which is why we may not see single carrier status for quite some time. UA/CO M&R still not unified. US/HP? 

 

[700UW]

Everyone is integrated at US/HP except the Pilots.

 

[AirLUVer]

Bad reporting... the article didn't bother to make the distinction that Roger Holmin isn't the president of the USAirways Group.... he's the president of the USAirways flight attendants union.

 
The reporter used the term "group" when describing the unions, and then continues with the term group instead of union further along in the story.  Just someone that does not usually cover unionized workforces.  He used the actual phrase "President of the USAirways group", group is lower case indicating he is referencing the group of FA's at USAirways, not the company.  The editor should have noted that, and noticed how close it came to the name of the holding company.

 

[1AA]

Everyone is integrated at US/HP except the Pilots.

Yea on paper.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Hmmm, having gone thru a few mergers, you do realize there are only a small handful of "the largest risks" to pick from.

1) Financial over-leveraging
2) Labor unrest
3) Ego wars/culture clashes amongst senior management
4) IT systems incompatibility
5) Alienating your customers

because all of those things can and do happen in practically any industry but the high labor concentration in the airline industry has produced hurdles that has uniquely crippled airline mergers.

 

[700UW]

Yea on paper.

Wrong again.
 
The M&R and Fleet have been integrated since 2008 and both work under the same CBA.
 
The AFA just got a JCBA this year and are integrated.
 
All groups are integrated and working under the same CBA except the pilots.
 
CSA and RES have been integrated and work under the same CBA also for years.

 

[1AA]

Wrong again.
 
The M&R and Fleet have been integrated since 2008 and both work under the same CBA.
 
The AFA just got a JCBA this year and are integrated.
 
All groups are integrated and working under the same CBA except the pilots.
 
CSA and RES have been integrated and work under the same CBA also for years.

Like I said on paper. Take a timeout and relax. ON PAPER but in reality I am sure tensions and bad feelings are always in the work place when it comes to mergers.
We have it here at AA and I know its over at UAL/CAL from what my friend tells me who works there.

 

[700UW]

Its not just on paper, its in the actual work place, all groups are integrated and working together except the pilots, is that too hard to comprehend?

 

[blue collar]

Its not just on paper, its in the actual work place, all groups are integrated and working together except the pilots, is that too hard to comprehend?

Can you not comprehend what he just said? Tensions in the workplace? Yeah, there were plenty of those, in most workgroups

 

[Kev3188]

You're both right. On paper, yes. In reality? Not always.



...And can add NW/DL to the already mentioned groups. That tribal identity very much still exists here.