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spacewaitress

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What''s wrong spill, can''t the big boys take care of themselves?
I''ve never seen a board censored so freely by such a biased and pussy-footed moderator.
You appear to moderate those you disagree with and allow anyone else a free ride. So much for free speech...as long as it''s speech you can abide.
 

Kevinpilot

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[P class=SubHeader]Spacewaitress, [/P]
[P class=SubHeader]These are our message board guidelines. Our volunteer moderators do their best to enforce these policies, and we count on our members to follow them.[/P]
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spillNspoil

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spacewaitress,

As has been pointed out, there are rules and guidelines to participating in this forum. We do our best to keep the tone/tenor of posts professional and respectful. We encourage spirited debate of issues and topics, provided it is done without resorting to wind-up rhetoric and bashing. I'm sorry you disagree with that, but those are the rules. Troublemakers will not be tolerated. Period.
 

ITRADE

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[P]People keep missing the operative in the First Amendment:[/P]
[P][STRONG]Congress[/STRONG] shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/P]
[P]It says nada about private entities.[/P]
 

KCFlyer

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Free Speech???

One more time...The first ammendment to the constitution says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Last I checked, Congress isn't running this board, therefore the moderators have a right to edit or delete whatever they want.
 

Kyle

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Not that any more really needs to be said, but Free Speech is welcome - however you still are accountable for what you say. So many seem to forget this. Since many members use alia's, we have to protect ourselves. I think it would we would take a different stand if you posted your real name with full contact information within a controversial post.
 
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spacewaitress

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Yes, all these points are taken. My original point is that some of us have been flamed or dissed and the moderators have done nothing.

So I guess it depends on what you are being flamed about. And the 'principle' of free speech is what I'm talking about here, not the 'right' to free speech.

The moderators (specifically Spill), in my view, need to look at their own biases (which apparently they are unaware of) and apply the rules of the board equally. The only benefit of this bias is its usefulness in explaining the singleness of viewpoint on this board. There really is very little to counter the prevailing anti-AFA and anti-IAM points of view. I have read blatant insults directed at flight attendants in general and AFA when a valid point of view has been offered. Not to mention there have been numerous personal insults directed at mastermechanic with absolutely no retribution from any moderator. It's such a transparent bias that it's ridiculous. Perhaps a little introspection (and respect) is needed here. The attempt to hide behind rules of the board is disingenuous and feeble.

Try again.
 

Kevinpilot

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[P]Spacewaitress, [/P]
[P]You have tried to make your point and we have tried to make ours. If you have anymore questions or comments about our board policies or procedures, please forward them to us. Regardless, our moderators will continue to uphold our guidelines. This thread has drifted away from the topic of United Airlines. The thread is now closed.[/P]
 
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spacewaitress

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On 9/13/2002 10:07:29 AM spillNspoil wrote:

spacewaitress,

We do our best to keep the tone/tenor of posts professional and respectful. We encourage spirited debate of issues and topics, provided it is done without resorting to wind-up rhetoric and bashing. I'm sorry you disagree with that, but those are the rules. Troublemakers will not be tolerated. Period.
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Really?

See my previous post. And while you point the finger at me and others, look where the other 4 are pointing....back at yourself.
 
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