More teamster lies...

ThirdSeatHero

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Yet another example of teamster lies...

This is from the AA organizing site

http://www.teamster.org/content/amfa%E2%80%99s-poor-attempt-distort-truth

The topic is "Blended Work"

... the second point is that the IBT failed to address blended “low-tech” work in Los Angeles. Now let’s look at the facts....

And the ibt claim .....

...To date, the Teamsters have been successful in drastically reducing the amount of work this vendor does and the negotiating committee is attempting to finally fix this AMFA-created situation in the new agreement....

So the ibt claims to be "reducing" the amount of this work .... they are attempting to "finally fix" it in current negotiations....

Here is the problem with all of this..... the ibt claimed to have fixed it already in our LAST ibt AGREEMENT

In the following video you'll listen to David Bourne try and peddle the ibt BS agreement, while we were preparing to vote on our last contract, and at the 6:42 mark you will hear him clearly state ....."AND NO MORE BLENDED WORK EITHER"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngBat1AAjp4

We have our teamster agreement......and we STILL have blended work. And its not just at LAX.

Just another teamster lie.


As for the rest of Fishers little missive ...

...The email further states that Clacy Griswold, Ed Gleason and myself agreed with the company to allow this work to be outsourced. To this point, the company approached IBT leadership and made a proposal along the lines described in the email. There was more to the proposal but the point is that neither Clacy, Ed or I have the authority to make a back room deal like AMFA did with the “low-tech” work. In bargaining with the Teamsters, it’s the rank-and-file voting members of the committee who decide whether to accept or reject an offer such as this...

Here they freely admit to meeting with the company over aircraft movement. While Fisher never admits to agreeing to the company proposal, the most recent IAM Ramp TA contains the language giving this to the Ramp at UAL.

.......but the ibt is going to let us vote on it.


Is this the kind of disingenuous representation you really want?
 

bikeguy

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Yet another example of teamster lies...

This is from the AA organizing site

http://www.teamster....t-distort-truth

The topic is "Blended Work"



And the ibt claim .....



So the ibt claims to be "reducing" the amount of this work .... they are attempting to "finally fix" it in current negotiations....

Here is the problem with all of this..... the ibt claimed to have fixed it already in our LAST ibt AGREEMENT

In the following video you'll listen to David Bourne try and peddle the ibt BS agreement, while we were preparing to vote on our last contract, and at the 6:42 mark you will hear him clearly state ....."AND NO MORE BLENDED WORK EITHER"


We have our teamster agreement......and we STILL have blended work. And its not just at LAX.

Just another teamster lie.


As for the rest of Fishers little missive ...



Here they freely admit to meeting with the company over aircraft movement. While Fisher never admits to agreeing to the company proposal, the most recent IAM Ramp TA contains the language giving this to the Ramp at UAL.

.......but the ibt is going to let us vote on it.


Is this the kind of disingenuous representation you really want?
Not me!
 

AMFAinMIAMI

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Yet another example of teamster lies...

This is from the AA organizing site

http://www.teamster....t-distort-truth

The topic is "Blended Work"



And the ibt claim .....



So the ibt claims to be "reducing" the amount of this work .... they are attempting to "finally fix" it in current negotiations....

Here is the problem with all of this..... the ibt claimed to have fixed it already in our LAST ibt AGREEMENT

In the following video you'll listen to David Bourne try and peddle the ibt BS agreement, while we were preparing to vote on our last contract, and at the 6:42 mark you will hear him clearly state ....."AND NO MORE BLENDED WORK EITHER"


We have our teamster agreement......and we STILL have blended work. And its not just at LAX.

Just another teamster lie.


As for the rest of Fishers little missive ...



Here they freely admit to meeting with the company over aircraft movement. While Fisher never admits to agreeing to the company proposal, the most recent IAM Ramp TA contains the language giving this to the Ramp at UAL.

.......but the ibt is going to let us vote on it.


Is this the kind of disingenuous representation you really want?

Sounds as though he is directing his video to the NON lic. mechanics at UAL. It also sounds like he is saying that we got you so much money during this negotiations.
So Vote "YES"

Then we the (IBT) want to go back as we merge CAL/UAL mechanics contracts and with the greater number of employees, he thinks UAL will have to give more money. as they (IBT) ask for more.

I don't get that logic, shouldn't the IBT negotiated the best deal for the UAL guys then just matched it all of the merged employees. How long does the IBT expect the UAL mechanics to be in contract negotiations? When are they going to merge the two companies with the same union? Are they going to do away with the CAL mechanics pension, since they did not get one for the UAL guys? Sounds like the teamsters are planning on keeping the UAL mechanics in negotiations for yrs to come so that they will not get rid of them. As he said most have a least 12yrs with UAL, I would guess more than that.

Sounds like the TWU's, we'll get em next time around speech.

Is this what you want here at AA?
 

swamt

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Typical teamsters propaganda. I still remember the teamsters attorney producing video footage with him lying, on video. Flat out telling the membership at both UAL and AA that they "will" re-open the contracts at both carriers. Never happened guys. The teamsters continue to lie, misrepresent, and make up all kinds of stuff blaming AMFA, just to try to deflect the current election coming up at AA. The teamsters are scared to death of what will happen after AMFA wins at AA and they get a taste of a real democratic union, with open negotiations, that the membership has complete control of.
It's only gonna get worse between now and next month, as the teamsters know for fact that AMFA is going to file.
 
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TWU informer

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Well you have to hand it to the Reamsters. They cannot represent AMT's any better than the TWU, but just like the TWU they know how to campaign and use their money to try to sell you something you have no interest in purchasing.
 
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1AA

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They are still claiming they have majority support at 14 line stations and Tulsa. If so then they should have filed by now. More lies and deceit. They still claim they can open the contract. Their claims have been PROVEN to be outright FALSE! They still stick to their script. What a bunch of sorry A$$ losers. I hope that people out their do not believe what they claim is true or will happen. We need to get this AMFA drive completed once and for all. Watch the calendar folks because AMFA filing is less than 2 months away.
 
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TRAVIS

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What Lie from the IBT? (Flat out telling the membership at both UAL and AA that they "will" re-open the contracts at both carriers.)

What ever union wins at AA or US as it was at UAL and CAL will have a TA contract (re-open) the only thing different is at US the contract is open for full negotiation's at this time and can be fully re-negotiated front to back cover by whoever wins control of US AIRWAYS and also if That Union wins control of AA also.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/
Definition of TRANSITION
1
a : passage from one state, stage, subject, or place to another : change
b : a movement, development, or evolution from one form, stage, or style to another
2
a : a musical modulation
b : a musical passage leading from one section of a piece to another
3
: an abrupt change in energy state or level (as of an atomic nucleus or a molecule) usually accompanied by loss or gain of a single quantum of energy
Definition of AGREEMENT
1
a : harmony of opinion, action, or character : concord
b : the act or fact of agreeing
2
a : an arrangement as to a course of action
b : compact, treaty
3
a : a contract duly executed and legally binding
b : the language or instrument embodying such a contract

Transition Agreement
A Transition Agreement is used when a Service Provider providing certain services to another party is going to discontinue providing their services in the near future. The Agreement outlines the understanding between the parties that the Service Provider will help the Client for a set period of time (transition period) to give Client time to obtain another Service Provider or perhaps bring those services in house. The Transition Agreement is a general contract that can be used with any service provider. The services, term and compensation during this transition period will be defined in this Agreement as they may differ from the Original Agreement.


Maybe you misunderstood the IBT, But Webster and Britannia Encyclopedia may help to understand (re-open the contract).

Have A NICE DAY my AMT brothers.
 

700UW

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The IBT is promising they will get AA and promised UA to go into section 6 negotiations before the amendable date.

That is a flat out lie.

No union can force a company into opening a CBA before the amendable date under the RLA.

Take the rose colored glasses off.
 
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paul1

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Can you clarify your question? Maybe I can answer it.
yes in the teamster letter they talked about afma outs sourcing work on the interiors in lax as low tech work i.e. tray table armrest caps etc... and the membership never voted on this. At sw how much maint is out sourced?
 

WNMECH

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yes in the teamster letter they talked about afma outs sourcing work on the interiors in lax as low tech work i.e. tray table armrest caps etc... and the membership never voted on this. At sw how much maint is out sourced?
A bunch.
But the large amount of outsourcing at SWA was here when we had the IAM and when we had the IBT.
We will never stop the outsourcing business model of SWA and can only scratch and claw to bring back what we can and add as many job protections as we can at every opportunity.
 
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Ken MacTiernan

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What Lie from the IBT? (Flat out telling the membership at both UAL and AA that they "will" re-open the contracts at both carriers.)

What ever union wins at AA or US as it was at UAL and CAL will have a TA contract (re-open) the only thing different is at US the contract is open for full negotiation's at this time and can be fully re-negotiated front to back cover by whoever wins control of US AIRWAYS and also if That Union wins control of AA also.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/
Definition of TRANSITION
1
a : passage from one state, stage, subject, or place to another : change
b : a movement, development, or evolution from one form, stage, or style to another
2
a : a musical modulation
b : a musical passage leading from one section of a piece to another
3
: an abrupt change in energy state or level (as of an atomic nucleus or a molecule) usually accompanied by loss or gain of a single quantum of energy
Definition of AGREEMENT
1
a : harmony of opinion, action, or character : concord
b : the act or fact of agreeing
2
a : an arrangement as to a course of action
b : compact, treaty
3
a : a contract duly executed and legally binding
b : the language or instrument embodying such a contract

Transition Agreement

A Transition Agreement is used when a Service Provider providing certain services to another party is going to discontinue providing their services in the near future. The Agreement outlines the understanding between the parties that the Service Provider will help the Client for a set period of time (transition period) to give Client time to obtain another Service Provider or perhaps bring those services in house. The Transition Agreement is a general contract that can be used with any service provider. The services, term and compensation during this transition period will be defined in this Agreement as they may differ from the Original Agreement.



Maybe you misunderstood the IBT, But Webster and Britannia Encyclopedia may help to understand (re-open the contract).

Have A NICE DAY my AMT brothers.

Travis,

Are you an A&P? Are you a teamster officer? Where are you stationed... line or base maintenance?
 

TRAVIS

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The IBT is promising they will get AA and promised UA to go into section 6 negotiations before the amendable date.

That is a flat out lie.

No union can force a company into opening a CBA before the amendable date under the RLA.

Take the rose colored glasses off.
LETS SEE
1. They are working on getting AA as we speak. (Really no LIE)

2. UAL's contract was a amendable in 2013 and CAL is amendable now 12/31/12 and as the UAL guys went IBT they are in negotiations before the amendable date of the UAL's contract.(Really No LIE)

3. No LIE

4. Well Well you got one right. No union can force a company to open a CBA (unless the LAW permits). Did the IBT say this Or is this your interpretation or hear say? If so post your reference.

5. I will leave them on, Some of your bright post hurt my eyes.

Have a nice day 700. B)