Nmb Determination Of Mechanic & Related(2002)

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NMB Determination of Mechanic & Related(2002) at AA/TWA!
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http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter200...002/29n051.html

above is the address of the nmb and what was determined to be the Craft & Class of the Mechanic & Related including 128 of the Sim. Techs!

(2002)mechanic & related.

13,337 + 3,292 = 16,629 M&R with Sim Techs.

13,229 + 3,272 = 16,501

+ 128 sim Techs = 16,629


Now AA is attempting to add over 2000 more Mechanic & Related, Did the Mechanic & Related really grow by 2000 in the last TWO YEARS?

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter200...002/29n051.html
 

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deadbolt said:
NMB Determination of Mechanic & Related(2002) at AA/TWA!
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http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter200...002/29n051.html

above is the address of the nmb and what was determined to be the Craft & Class of the Mechanic & Related including 128 of the Sim. Techs!

(2002)mechanic & related.

13,337 + 3,292 = 16,629 M&R with Sim Techs.

13,229 + 3,272 = 16,501

+ 128 sim Techs = 16,629


Now AA is attempting to add over 2000 more Mechanic & Related, Did the Mechanic & Related really grow by 2000 in the last TWO YEARS?

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter200...002/29n051.html
That figure is two years old. We know that AA really has not been hiring, and we also know that the total number, including recall has gone down through retirements, deaths, terminations and resignations.

If anything it should be aound 1500 less.
 
Well lets see. If the TWU claims that we have 18600 in the class and craft, and we only have 1200 actually working that means that we have 6600 on layoff? In other words 35% of the worforce!

When you figure that AA already enjoyed a lower ratio of A&P per airplane than most of their competitors an additional 35% is staggering!

Saved jobs? The TWU has been taking jobs away from aircraft mechanics for years!

Saved jobs? Tell that to the 35% that are not working and the 65% that took the biggest cuts in history to supposedly "save those guy jobs"!

One thing that was apparently saved was the $3 million (not on the LM-2 or in the contract, its an "understanding" according to CIO) that the TWU gets from the company.


Was that what this was really all about?
 
Well if the twu flag flying on the company flag pole wasn't enough to make you realize AA will protect it's toy union, the "INFLATED" numbers the company gave the NMB should!!
WHY does AA not want the AMFA???


Makes you go HMMMMMMM.

Keep the Faith......VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!
 
You AMFA boys seem to be singing a different tune. All I used to read was: "TWU is sooooooo dead."

Now I'm hearing "Keep the faith."

You guys are starting to sound like you're not so sure of yourselves.
 
We are engaged in a struggle to bring freedom, accountability and democracy to Unionism.

In pursuit of that goal, we all freely acknowledge that those who wish to retain positions garnered by none of the aformentioned principles will engage in conduct that has nothing to do with advancing our cause.
 
Moveon,

If I were Kerry, I would have said that while I voted for Democracy in Unionism; I later voted against it!

I desire no office greater than the Title of AMFA Member of the Maintenance & Related Class and Craft at AA.
 
Boomer, this is a typical statement! Spend efforts to organize but when the times get tough you run and hide!

This is why you and amfa should not be representing anyone! organizing is easy, your not held to any kind of credibility. But when you are representing someone once your caught in a lie you are labeled from that point forward! All you have to do is look and see the likes of the owens, stewarts, dons and gary's of the drive and you will see what will happen to us at AA in the future, if amfa was to ever get in! Stop and see how many times they have lied! Now look at Delle! This is a prime example of integrity! Just one example is the braniff BK. Caught on video. Lies at its best! Pretty pathetic not to want to get involved in any Union!
 
Checking it Out said:
This is why you and amfa should not be representing anyone! organizing is easy, your not held to any kind of credibility. But when you are representing someone once your caught in a lie you are labeled from that point forward! All you have to do is look and see the likes of the owens, stewarts, dons and gary's of the drive and you will see what will happen to us at AA in the future, if amfa was to ever get in! Stop and see how many times they have lied! Now look at Delle! This is a prime example of integrity! Just one example is the braniff BK. Caught on video. Lies at its best! Pretty pathetic not to want to get involved in any Union!


Are you talking about this lie? Where you have claimed AMFA is responsible for the UAL Bankruptcy when there are clearly pictures showing the IAM rallying against concession?



Or is it the lie you put out about "AMFA" wanting to plunge AA into Bankruptcy? When this video clearly demonstrates otherwise?

AMFA's position on AA potential Bankruptcy

I WOULD SAY "FROM THIS POINT FORWARD", YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A COMMON LIAR! That is what you said isn't it?


BTW CIO,

Can you show any documents from Eastern Airlines, or Pan American Bankrupcty proceedings that show Sonny Hall's signature? The TWU represented Eastern Flight Attendants, and Mechanics at PanAm. Did those members get served well by the TWU?
 
Dave your stetching in this example! Did amfa file for a representative election at United prior to this time frame? And are you trying to deceive us into believing the amfa wannabes prior to United BK had no influence!

The members are smart enough to see thru your attempt at deception!
 
Checking it Out said:
Dave your stetching in this example! Did amfa file for a representative election at United prior to this time frame? And are you trying to deceive us into believing the amfa wannabes prior to United BK had no influence!

The members are smart enough to see thru your attempt at deception!



CIO, I have undisputed FACTS backing my position on the UAL Time Line and proving that the IAM was indeed the union on the property. Show us your facts, that AMFA was involved. You have NO FACTS do you? Just common liberal lies to generate fear amongst the unknowing.

AMFA filed for NMB Services on March 6th, 2003.

UAL NMB Determination Document

April 3, 2003, IAM Settles contract dispute over the Indianaplois Base Closure.

Indianapolis Base Closure Agreement

April 3, 2003 - District 141-M of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) announced an agreement today with United Airlines to settle a contract dispute over the airline's decision to temporarily close its Indianapolis Maintenance Center.

The settlement provides for severance pay as described in the current contract, the opportunity to transfer to another United location and moving expenses for employees choosing to do so. More than 1,400 IAM members at the Indianapolis facility faced the loss of these rights under United's claim that 'force majuere' circumstances allowed them to place employees on limited "No Work" status rather than traditional furlough status.

"The war with Iraq can not be used as an excuse to deny established contract rights," said District 141-M President Scotty Ford. "Changes in the way United operates may be needed, but those changes must come through negotiations and ratified agreements, and not by unilateral decisions."

On March 26, 2003, the IAM filed a motion in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Indiana seeking a preliminary injunction against United Airlines. The motion will be withdrawn due to this settlement.

"The strength of our Union made this settlement possible," said Ford. "We will continue to negotiate with United Airlines to help this airline survive while we preserve the extremely important protections our agreement provides."

More information about the Machinists Union can be found on the District 141-M web site at


April 11, 2003- IAM and UAL tentatively agree to a restructuring agreement that loosens up outosurce limits.

IAM Gives up Outsource limits

UNITED AND IAM RATIFICATION
United Airlines Comments on the Ratification of Wage and Work Rule Agreements by IAM District 141, IAM District 141-M and the Association of Flight Attendants

CHICAGO, April 30, 2003 -- UAL Corp. (OTCBB: UALAQ.OB) the parent company of United Airlines, commented today on the ratification of six-year agreements on wage and work rule changes by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) District 141-M, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) District 141 and the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA). The agreements provide the significant labor-cost savings, productivity enhancements and modifications to scope clauses that will give United the financial and operational flexibility it needs to succeed now and in the future.
"Four months ago we set several goals: to reach consensual agreements on cost savings with all of our unions, to improve productivity, and to lay the foundation for a more competitive, flexible and efficient airline," said Glenn F. Tilton, chairman, president and chief executive officer of UAL. "With today's ratifications, we have achieved all of those goals. And parallel to these efforts, we have been running an airline that customers say has improved its service considerably.

"With this critical milestone behind us, we can now move quickly to implement the ratified changes in all of our labor agreements," continued Tilton. "I want to express my sincere appreciation to all
the members of the AFA, IAM District 141, and IAM District 141-M for making the successful future of this airline - and ultimately the future of all its employees - the number one priority. I appreciate
the tough choices and sacrifices all our employees are making to help ensure United emerges from bankruptcy and succeeds for the long-term."

The new contracts will be submitted today, April 30 to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for approval.

IAM District 141-M represents United employees who provide maintenance, maintenance instructor and ground school instructor services to the company, as well as utility workers. IAM District 141 represents United's public-contact, ramp, food-service, security and other employees.

United operates more than 1,500 flights a day on a route network that spans the globe.
News releases and other information about United Airlines can be found at the company's website, www.united.com.


CIO, as the readers can clearly see, the time line shows a much different story than you and the other liars have been presenting.

What aws you earlier claim about being caught telling lies? Something about from that point forward, you will deemed a liar?
 
Did amfa file or not file in 2001 at United?

Did amfa file or not file in 1994 at United?

Keep miss-informing! The truth will prevail!

Amfa influence of divide and conquer worked well at United! As per your posting on another thread, you pretty well gurrantee mass layoffs if amfa was ever to get in here.

Keep up the deception! I need a good laugh today!
 
Checking it Out said:
Did amfa file or not file in 2001 at United?

Did amfa file or not file in 1994 at United?

Keep miss-informing! The truth will prevail!

Amfa influence of divide and conquer worked well at United! As per your posting on another thread, you pretty well gurrantee mass layoffs if amfa was ever to get in here.

Keep up the deception! I need a good laugh today!
1994 AMFA lost by 500 votes.
2001 AMFA denied an election- lack of interest.

And it wasn't unitl the IAM pulled scorched earth concession that AMFA was certified. Same thing is about to happen at AA and you know it!

And as for "mass lay-offs" here is the TWU iron clad language we will inherit.

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SO tell us CIO, how does that NOT protect employment?
 

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