NMB VOTE?

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Does anyone have any idea when there is going to be a union vote, and who is going to be on the ballet?

Plus, do I get to vote on if the IAM will represent me in contract negotiations?

it feels like the AFL-CIO is pushing the IAM on me without a chance for me to vote on that, like when the TWU folded up my local. Whatever happened to membership voting?
 
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The IAM wants the Association. so a vote for IAM or TWU will only be the same as voting for the ASSOCIATION. Dammed if you do.. Dammed if you don't.
Can you feel that cold blued steel at your knee cap?????
 
IT Only Give's You Two Choices.... A NEW UNION Other Than The IAM or TWU or NON-UNION. 
 
Those are questions put forward to the NMB and they will decide. The Association of course wants the NMB to limit you to choosing between accepting their BS deal or having No Union. They know its a crappy deal for us. 
 
The appeal sent by local 591 cites the NMB's own guidelines.
 
This is how I read the NMb guideleines. Typically the NMB assumes that in a single carrier status filing if you currently have 10,000 members that all 10,000 can be accepted as that unions "showing of interest to stay in that union", if you have 5000 members then you would need to get 2501  members from the Union that has 10,000 members (50%+1 of the combined membership) to set off a runoff vote between the two, once the vote is scheduled intervenor unions would also be allowed to get on the Ballot, write ins would be permitted and the No-Union option would also be put on the ballot.  
 
To the NMB the first question is broken down into "Union or No union" . The next question if the choice is for Union is which one?  Only cast votes are counted.  In order to become "no union", regardless of the number of options on the ballot 50% +1 of the votes must be for no union. So lets say only 1000 of the 15000 people eliible to vote- voted, 499 voted for "no Union", 200, voted for TWU, 150 voted for Association, and 151 wrote in IAM, the first question has been answered, the members by majority votes cast, 499 to 501 want a union, now comes the next question. Whom? The NMB takes the two top vote getters and has a run off, so in this example it would be the TWU(200) and the IAM (151) on the runoff ballot.
 
There will be, and already has been some disinformation put out as far as the rules, in the past votes not cast were counted as NO Union" votes, that was changed a few years back after intense lobbying by the Unions which was just as intensely challenged by the Airlines and Railroads, I went to the hearing in DC, and was centered around the Delta FA organizing efforts. Despite the changes being put in place the drive still failed, even under the new rules. 
 
 
If you recall back when we merged with TWA there was no runoff with the IAM, and the company and the Unions agreed that both contract group in the combined carrier would fall under the AA deal. The TWU got thousands of new members, the company got a single agreement in place, the TWA members got big pay increases and the IAM got back monies for the IAMPF and lease payments for an engine TWA had leased from the IAM. I guess this time the IAM was not really getting anything by backing out gracefully and timid Jim Little, in his quest to destroy the TWU signed this agreement for the Association despite the TWUs much larger membership.
 
What the TWU and IAM are asking now is that without any prior input from the members that the NMB broaden the assumption of a showing of interest from incumbent members having an interest in staying in their union to the assumption that the combined group has an interest in doing whatever the Presidents of the two unions want to do, or have no union (or contract) at all.  In light of the fact that one of those Presidents, the one from the much larger group, has been removed that puts serious doubt into the credibility of any such assumption. While it is established that the NMB accepts current membership numbers as a showing of interest in maintaining the status quo, they have never just accepted those numbers as a showing of interest for change without any measure to verify that the members truly do support that. In other cases where Associations were formed the unions conducted internal union votes, the TWU and IAM did not. 
 
Local 591 takes the position that we should not be denied a real choice consistent with the practice and standards that have been applied in the past. Jim Little and Buffenbarger do not and should not have the right to force us to choose between this Association or having No Union or dictate what choices will be placed on the ballot.  We feel that if there is a ballot, especially one without a prior referendum of the membership internally, that consistent with the guidelines used in the past the TWU must to be a choice on the ballot, having met the showing of interest criteria. The IAM has not met the criteria, therefore they would not be on the Ballot but they could accepted as a write in as well as any other choice the members elect to write in.  
 
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Thanks Bob. And thanks to local 591 executive board for doing what's right. If we do the association at least a majority of the members wanted it. Instead of this BS they're trying to pull.


I'm writing in AMFA if given the option or no union if I don't have the option.
 
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Why cant we write in No Union get rid of the twu and the IAM and then have another card drive. The twu must go !
 
You will not get to vote on anything. You will accept the Association and you will like it.
The TWU/IAM knows what's best for you.........
Now sit down, take it with a smile and shut up......
 
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bikeguy said:
You will not get to vote on anything. You will accept the Association and you will like it.
The TWU/IAM knows what's best for you.........
Now sit down, take it with a smile and shut up......
That rememds me when my union rep would say "if you don't like it, there's no fence between here and United "

I wonder why the mechanics have so little regard for the TWU ?
 
bikeguy said:
You will not get to vote on anything. You will accept the Association and you will like it.
The TWU/IAM knows what's best for you.........
Now sit down, take it with a smile and shut up......
Wow !!
 
You sound like you are from PIT !!
 
Sorry for sounding like a A-hole. I just was trying to imagine how a IAM rep. would respond if you asked the question at a union meeting.
Having a union controlling your pension fund is gonna make it hard to get guys to switch to another union. 
 
AA-MRO.COM said:
Why cant we write in No Union get rid of the twu and the IAM and then have another card drive. The twu must go !
As bad as the TWU is, it is still better than having no union.  With no union Parker will lay off from the top of seniority down.  He did that at America West.  As far as another card drive, we are having a card drive now.  We need more cards.
 
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OldGuy@AA said:
As bad as the TWU is, it is still better than having no union.  With no union Parker will lay off from the top of seniority down.  He did that at America West.  As far as another card drive, we are having a card drive now.  We need more cards.
TWU is better than nothing...
How proud it must be to have a bottom feeding union.
Then hold 'solidarity' rally's "TWU IS BETTER THAN NOTHING"...
Drag an empty coffin though the streets and have a blow up rat jacking itself..
OOPS this has already been done, my bad, carry on, nothing to see here....:p
B) xUT
 
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xUT said:
TWU is better than nothing...
How proud it must be to have a bottom feeding union.
Then hold 'solidarity' rally's "TWU IS BETTER THAN NOTHING"...
Drag an empty coffin though the streets and have a blow up rat jacking itself..
OOPS this has already been done, my bad, carry on, nothing to see here.... :p
B) xUT
I will not deny that the TWU is the sorriest union out there (Next to the IAM) but if you think we would be better off with no union you are on crack.  Look at what they do to their own management.
 
OldGuy@AA said:
if you think we would be better off with no union you are on crack.  Look at what they do to their own management.
Please tell you stance to a Passenger Service Agents at AA
 
If the agents don't realize they need a union by now they are beyond help.  Just like the AMTs who won't sign an AMFA card.
 
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