No more Newark-London

MAH4546

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Last Newark-London service is 30 January 2003. I am very surprised to see this one cut. Oh well. Anyone know what they are going to do with the slot. Maybe make that 2nd Miami-London flight (which is doing very, very well, or so I hear) year-round?
 
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MAH4546

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On 12/26/2002 1:30:26 PM eolesen wrote:

Supposed to be a seasonal drop for the winter only.
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Maybe, but it is wiped out of all the schedules permanently with no signs of coming back. Hopefully it will return

Also, STL cannot have LHR service. Along with DFW and RDU. That is, of course, why AA bothers with LGW.
 

JFK777

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There is lots of competition to LHR from EWR. BA, Virgin, UA and AA all fly at leasy once daily. CAL flies also to LGW. All together there are 8 flights to London, then CAl serves other UK cities as well.
 

AAquila

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In order to appease the regulators in the ongoing BA/AA codeshare discussions whilst keeping CAL at bay, AA will offer EWR-LHR to CAL . With many TWA dormant routes being reactivated in '03, equipment can be used at JFK.
 

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On 12/26/2002 8:45:02 PM AAquila wrote:

In order to appease the regulators in the ongoing BA/AA codeshare discussions whilst keeping CAL at bay, AA will offer EWR-LHR to CAL . With many TWA dormant routes being reactivated in '03, equipment can be used at JFK.
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I think there are open skies to most of Europe with the exception of LHR. Exactly what are the dormant TWA route authorities that AA would otherwise have been precluded from flying? (honest question)

My understanding is that AA can fly JFK-BCN or JFK-FCO with or without TWA route authorities.
 

cmkeane

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I must second this question. I do not think most of TWA's US-Europe authorities have any value now. I know that TWA wrote these assets down a couple years ago AHEAD of open skies.[BR][BR]

But one thing they did have was 5th freedom rights in Paris and Cairo, and if I am not mistaken, also London and Rome. I know they were thinking of exercising the Paris and Cairo rights a couple years ago as well, but never could get their vision out of the midwest.[BR][BR]

Now one interesting what-if is if God-forbid UA goes Ch. 7 - is American Airlines with 5th freedoms from Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome, and Cairo. That would represent the first real international juggernaut. I have always wondered about the ability of US airlines (in better times, of course) being able to buy foreign airlines when the countries are trying to privatize them. Unify the alliance through a single honest brand of a true multi-national corporation. Of course, the local labor laws may be a complete noose around the neck, much as they were for TWA.
 

FA Mikey

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The chance of AA or any other US carrier buying a foreign airline, is about as likely as the US allowing AirFrance or British Airways buying a US carrier.

If ever allowed it could produce an interesting proposition
 

Rob

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AAquila, as I read Bermuda 2, AA couldn't hand off a LHR slot to CAL even if they wanted to. Only two US carriers are allowed to serve LHR by the B2 terms.

By the same terms, UAL would have to sell all their LHR rights to a *single* buyer, assuming they get that desperate.
 

AAquila

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I think there are open skies to most of Europe with the exception of LHR. Exactly what are the dormant TWA route authorities that AA would otherwise have been precluded from flying? (honest question)

My understanding is that AA can fly JFK-BCN or JFK-FCO with or without TWA route authorities.
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American could fly anywhere where there is a reciprocal route agreement, meaning that if they (AA) did want to operate to BCN or FCO without the use of the TWA franchise the US government would first have to grant the Spanish and Italian government more access to US markets. AMR would then have to stand in line and hopefully become the US governments successful bidder. Regardless of your personal situation you will soon become a believer in the fact that the dormant TWA routes, the JFK terminal are key to our company's success. The Canadian's dream of globalizing AMR's trademark is taking shape, regardless of the state of the US economy. In terror sensitive areas such as TLV, AMR will hand-off to the Swiss.

It's a whole new world Dorothy, we're not in Kansas anymore.
 

AAquila

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On 12/27/2002 1:31:09 PM Rob wrote:

AAquila, as I read Bermuda 2, AA couldn't hand off a LHR slot to CAL even if they wanted to. Only two US carriers are allowed to serve LHR by the B2 terms.

By the same terms, UAL would have to sell all their LHR rights to a *single* buyer, assuming they get that desperate.


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911 has changed the rule book regarding how, when, and who we travel with. The entire airline industry is in a dismal turmoil (except for small pockets of Asian carriers ). The cornerstone of this business is the US carrier, the Brits know that. They'll make the necessary changes. AMR must be ready to capitalize on such opportunities, CAL will get a piece of the action to keep the US regulators happy. Everything's on the table, it's a whole new world without boundaries. Stay tuned.
 

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