Northern Alberta EMS

[Vertical Mag]

I''m wondering if anyone can help...

When I was down in Dallas, Texas last month visiting with CareFlite to see how they like their Agusta Powers there was a ''Deuce'' sitting there that they said was purchased by a Canadian operator for EMS ops in Northern Alberta. Apparently it''s to provide air medical service to the oil and gas industry. It has one of VIH''s air medical kits inside.

Does anyone know what company purchased the ''Deuce'' and is starting a private EMS program? And no, it''s not STARS. It''s supposedly a one-ship operation.

Thanks!

 

[MINI]

I know but cant tell .

 

[Outwest]

I heard that it is VIH. They have been putting out feelers for crew.

 

[T-rex]

''They'' are trying to get started in Manning,Alberta. A 24/7 IFR Medevac machine. Get the big players in the Oil and Gas Business to pay $22G a year to support their people in remote Compressor sites! I heard today they are trying to get some Gov''t support as well! There are a few groups involved with this deal!

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I originally thought that Trek Helicopters was trying to get a contract in manning for EMS work. I heard that they acquired a building to operate from last fall....I remember asking in Manning but no-one knew anything about it.

 

[MagSeal]

I thought I heard something about Trek too. But with Treks colourful history of late, I can''t see them being a main player in this. T-Rex is likely right there is a few people with their heads together.
But with the request of government support, this seems doomed from the start.

 

[downwash]

A little bird told me that a prominent Liberal family from Winnipeg are behind this group (I oughtn''t reveal the name), so it should be relatively easy for them to get lots of our homeless tax dollars to support the poor, downtrodden oil industry.

 

[Cobra]

I cant see that program being of any success. Unless a big company with the backing to sit a machine doing nothing.
I flew In the oil and gas feild for years
and there isnt that much of a call for medivacs. If there is then it is usually something that every other company out there
can handle. What good can a IFR machine do anyway? Beside land in the bigger centers with the right equiptment.Can you land at a compressor site on a ILS approach or what? I''m not a IFR guy but I would think it could only be done with the right equiptment installed at the sight of landing. Some of you IFR guys help me out here.

 

[cap]

''Little bird'' eh? Ok.

 

[reddog]

Cobra, IFR equipment would enhance the capabilities of the aircraft to do the job but also you have to remember that there are still limitations to an IFR operation, particularily in Canada. The number one problem being icing in cloud during the ten months of good sledding.

Don't get me wrong, the benefits would out weight the problems as long as everyone, ie. customers are aware of all the limitations IFR and VFR and don't have wild expectations of an IFR machine. For example, the Ontario operation is all IFR aircraft which extends their capabilities although from my own experience they don't use that capability to the fullest.

An IFR machine would be able to transit from airport to airport IFR (where a VFR machine might not be able to get through VFR), shoot the approach and them proceed VMC to the pick up site. After the pick up the IFR machine is capable of launching IFR right from the pick up site to the airport closest to the destination hospital.

Additionally an IFR machine on a VFR response that runs into inclement weather is able to request an IFR clearance and continue on their way as apposed to turning around and remaining VFR.

And best of all an IFR machine on a VFR flight on a CAVU day is a joy to fly. You just couple up the autopilot and sit back, enjoy the view and discuss your stock portfolio with your FO.

So you see the IFR capability is just an additional tool to give you more options to get the job done safely.

Whew! I think that's my longest post so far. I'm going to have to take a rest now.

 

[firehawk]

Thanks Reddog Thats answers some of the questions I had also. I could see it being a big problem with the customers the first time a flight is refused. Because without a doubt in my mind they will think it can fly any time anywhere as they already do with VFR machines. So a IFR machine can depart a site in any weather with out any aids of anysort then air file is that right?

 

[reddog]

That's right FireHawk, you can launch into uncontrolled airspace and airfile or better yet if you have a pre-filed generic "Center stored flight plan" and get approval to call Terminal or Center direct on the cellphone they can get you an IFR clearance in about a minute. Then it's start engines and up, up and away.

You wouldn't get approval for calling Center direct for a normal operation but ATC had no problem doing it for us as a Medevac machine in Ontario.

 

[Rosco]

collective,

txs for the info and clearing up the rumors.

all the best with this endeavor.

Cheers

R

 

[collective]

Hello Boys and Girls.

I was very interested to read all the posts here regarding our little effort in Northern ALberta. For the most part, your assumptions have been wrong in what and how we are doing things. Reddog is on the right track.

We will be using a B222UT with the VIH kit. We will provide day VFR, Night VFR/IFR service to industry. We are not linked with any Government agency,(or liberal family ...geee common) We will not be billing out to any government level unless requested by that level to provide service.

Everyone is right. You cannot shoot an approach to a site in the middle of the bush. However, as pointed out by Reddog, you can IFR to and change to VFR. Not an issue. All clients we have agreements with are clear on the fact that some times, the ship will not fly. Anyone in right mind knows that when the ice is buiding etc., the ship don''t go. The clients are still showing due dilligence (sp) to employees.

As for the industry supported thing, these days with the new OHS and Workers Comp issues, it is no longer good enough to strap an injured worker to a back board, toss him/her in the back of a pick up and rumbble down a cutline at 20 KM/Hr for 4 hrs to the highway and then to the hospitial. You are looking at serious issues down the road. We not only provide the helicopter as most operators can, we also provide licensed Paramedics. The level of care in the back of the helicopter is the same level of care the person would get at a hospitial emergency room. With the same equipment. Our Paramedics are licensed to administer drugs. They are not EMT''s or EMR''s. They are Licensed Paramedics. There is a huge difference.

There is not a $22G/year charge for this service.

Trek is not involved.

Company Name is LifeView MedAir Inc. an Alberta Company.

I understand this is something very new to our industry, but then, so was logging with helicopters a few years back. I only ask that we all keep an open mind and the jokes down to a minimum.

Thanks folks. I hope this clears up any questions for the time being. When you see us out there, please stop by and share a coffee and some yarns.

K

 

[MagSeal]

I appreciate the straightening of the facts, but the ''boys and girls'' comment has me wondering if I should respect you as a professional. We are not children here. If you want to clarify your remark have at it...