Our Real Enemies now pressuring Washington for more foreign MRO.

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ARSA urges DHS to finalise repair station rules
The Aeronautical Repair Station Association (ARSA), along with 11 other aviation organisations, has sent a letter to Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the US, reminding her of “the urgent need to finalise repair station security rules” in the country. Due to the rulemaking delay, the FAA has been unable to certificate new foreign repair stations since August 2008. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) had previously set itself a deadline to complete the security rule during “the fourth quarter of calendar year 2012”, according to ARSA, who added that “continued inaction is unacceptable”. The letter said: “The ban on new foreign repair station certificates is having a detrimental impact on US-based aerospace companies looking to tap into rapidly expanding overseas markets. The longer the prohibition is in effect, the more damage it will cause our nation’s competitiveness in aviation and exports”.




NOW IS THE TIME TO ORGANIZE A NATION-WIDE PROTEST AGAINST FOREIGN REPAIR STATIONS!!! TELL WASHINGTON THEY ARE NOT SAFE WITH FOREIGN MRO!
 
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Hey Ken! Are you reading this? Feel good about accepting money from ARSA and AA? Is it more important to stroke your ego and tell yourself you are honoring mechanics who built this profession? If I were to receive your bronze bust I would be insulted.

Do the right thing and refund the money you accepted from our real enemies. It would go a ways to making things right and might earn you back a little respect.

And before you start your predictable screeching about aliases, shove it. Nobody cares.
 
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NOW IS THE TIME TO ORGANIZE A NATION-WIDE PROTEST AGAINST FOREIGN REPAIR STATIONS!!! TELL WASHINGTON THEY ARE NOT SAFE WITH FOREIGN MRO!
Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.
 
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Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.

I think you are reading way too much into Grey's few short sentences. Get a grip.
 
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Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.
The question was asked at the Ream Machine's stop at AFW a couple weeks ago as to what the savings would be to outsource a 777 vs continuing to do them in-house. Jim Ream answered 30%.
If management were as motivated to keep the work in-house as they are to out-source it then it could be done.
Did I miss something xenophobic in a post here?
 

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Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.
Especially when all you read about is how the FAA is levying another fine on AA for "Maintenance violations". Until the airplanes start to fall out of the sky, and they will, nothing will be done about foreign repair stations. Southwest got a slap on the wrist for flying airplanes with cracked crown skins out of South America while AA was fined tens of millions of dollars for shielded wiring being secured to the airframe less than 1/10 of an inch from manual specifications. Something wrong here? Yes, especially when you realize there was never a safety issue with the wiring. This is becoming the norm where the FAA crawls up our butts with a microscope at AA while choosing to ignore those who send their work to third world countries. Heaven forbid they go to El Salvador to look at Aeroman. You have to wonder if they are afraid of what they would find there. They won't do a thing until there are casualties caused by Juan Valdez who picks coffee beans during the day and overhauls aircraft at night. Then maybe the American public will make some noise.
 
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Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.
I you may be shooting from the hip.
The foreign MRO's do not have to meet US FAA standards, much less EPA regulations, etc...
There does not exist a level playing field.
Cheaper labor aside:
1) they are not subject to a 15 year background check (by the FBI might be 5 years now, too old to remember)
2) they are not subject to drug testing.
3) they are not on the FAA radar and to the best of my knowledge have never been fined for shitty work, as USA maintenance has repeatedly.
Put us on a 'level' playing field at least.
B) xUT
 
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The bean counters at AA figured its cheaper to lease an Antonov An-225 to carry the 777 engines from TAESL to Hong Kong....when its available. Outsoucing is what killed the steel industry and it's going to kill the aviation industry. I shure would like to see the Chinese deposit slips from the congressmen & senators offshore accounts. Maybe they can pass a law so we could get some of that too.
 
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Here is a Facebook page someone recently started. It currently has 421 "likes". Maybe if it gets some traction it might get some media notice. Social Media = One More Way to Fight Back

Dedicated to redeveloping the American aircraft maintenance and overhaul industry. Bring these jobs back home! Domestic MRO means American jobs and profits.

http://www.facebook....212885032173583
 

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I think you are reading way too much into Grey's few short sentences. Get a grip.

Really? He was pretty clear:

TELL WASHINGTON THEY ARE NOT SAFE WITH FOREIGN MRO!

Or are you really thinking that there's more of a terrorist threat in a territory controlled by Mainland China? Even Al Qaeda isn't dumb enough to #}{* on Chinese soil...

The bean counters at AA figured its cheaper to lease an Antonov An-225 to carry the 777 engines from TAESL to Hong Kong....when its available.

Why use TAESL when HAESL is already there?? http://www.siaec.com.sg/joint_venture/haesl.html
 
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Here is a Facebook page someone recently started. It currently has 421 "likes". Maybe if it gets some traction it might get some media notice. Social Media = One More Way to Fight Back

[font=lucida grande']Dedicated to redeveloping the American aircraft maintenance and overhaul industry. Bring these jobs back home! Domestic MRO means American jobs and profits.[/font]

http://www.facebook....212885032173583
However, be warned, AA has a Social Media Policy that resembles the at work policy.

Absolutely! Be careful what you say there. I think "Liking" the page should be well within acceptable conduct though. And then share it with friends who do not work for the airline and encourage them to comment!

All the more reason for the infamous "Aliases"!
 
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Really? He was pretty clear:



Or are you really thinking that there's more of a terrorist threat in a territory controlled by Mainland China? Even Al Qaeda isn't dumb enough to #}{* on Chinese soil...


Why use TAESL when HAESL is already there?? http://www.siaec.com...ture/haesl.html

Pretty cost effective to dump chemicals in the local river rather than meeting the USA EPA standards.
IIRC, when UA outsourced their AC painting, the 'contractor' dumped it in the local river in Mexico.
Good for the companies, not so good for the residences.
B) xUT
 
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Yes, the fact that BA, CX, QF, JL, SQ, LH, and dozens of other airlines all around the world contract for heavy airframe overhauls in places outside the USA is really scary. And it's really scary that UA and DL do the same thing with their widebodies.

It's one thing to argue that you can do it more efficiently than those dirty forriners. It's quite another to spout xenophobic nonsense that foreign MROs are categorically "not safe" so that you won't have to compete. Put on the Lee Greenwood, attach a couple of plastic American flags to the truck windows and have a good ole time.
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Really? He was pretty clear:



Or are you really thinking that there's more of a terrorist threat in a territory controlled by Mainland China? Even Al Qaeda isn't dumb enough to #}{* on Chinese soil...


Why use TAESL when HAESL is already there?? http://www.siaec.com...ture/haesl.html

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Really? He was pretty clear:



Or are you really thinking that there's more of a terrorist threat in a territory controlled by Mainland China? Even Al Qaeda isn't dumb enough to #}{* on Chinese soil...


Why use TAESL when HAESL is already there?? http://www.siaec.com...ture/haesl.html

So you think that "Grey" stating that foreign MRO's are unsafe is is xenophobic? Why would a smart guy like you jump to that conclusion?

xUT summed it up pretty well in post #7 as to why they are not safe! Reread please.

No xenophobes here. Just put everyone on the same playing field and referee them equally.
 

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In a different thread (on the same topic), the OP said this:

In short, to answer why (?)... because the goal is to bring these jobs back to the USA as fast as possible.

Nothing wrong with embracing protectionism, but to make broad assertions that aircraft maintenance performed outside the USA is "not safe" is one key reason why the OP will never see his goal achieved. When you use fear tactics instead of facts to make your political arguments, you end up sounding like the stupid-ass Republicans when they try to scare Americans into voting for them.

(Don't worry - I have plenty of criticism for the stupid-ass Democrats in this country as well. Neither party has a monopoly on idiocy).

My point to the OP: Stop sounding like a stupid-ass politician and make rational, cogent arguments as to why all heavy overhaul of US-registered airlines simply must occur on US soil by US citizens at Very High Wages. And be prepared for the rational counterarguments of the stupid-ass airlines who want to save a buck.
 

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