Pensions Vs Strike

Checking it Out

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Well the pensions have been eliminated at United, Several of the Unions have voiced their concerns and have threatened a strike if this happens. At United Look here for article Amfa has made some claims that all 8 Airlines will stand befind them (Mechanics from Eight Airlines Pledge All Available Resources to Back Colleagues at United Airlines CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 5, 2005) Will Amfa call a Strike since the members voted?

Here is what the president at Local 9 has to say about what has happened!Message from the Local President

To: All UAL Members of Local 9

Subject: Upgrades and special assignments

Until further notice AMFA Local 9 is requesting that all members on upgrade assignments and special assignments return to their normal job duties.

This action is being implemented to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with the complete disregard for the goals and objectives of the negotiating committee while attempting to address the outstanding 1113c issues and to prepare UAL for the eventual removal of all of our services through legal self help actions.

While the preferred method of resolving this conflict is at the negotiating table, time now is drawing to a close where a new chapter in the war on the employees and the resulting response is about to be opened.

Anyone that is working in the above assignments that is confused about what we are asking you to do, please call me directly at: 650-826-1405

Fraternally,

Joseph Prisco President AMFA Local 9

I believe Amfa has made claims they will strike, with the coffers empty to the point the NEC has taken paycuts. This will be a true test! Will Amfa call for a strike or is it all talk and no action? Or will they wait and follow the Skirt tails of the flight Attendants. Or will they Allow the BK judge to throw out the contract?

Lets not forget Amfa has failed in every turn to negotiate anything that will benefit the membership at any of the Airlines they have a presence at since 9/11. Except for SWA who gave them a letter. (Take it or leave it).

The Clock is ticking!
 
Maybe they will give up 50 years of negotiatied benefits, Dell will sign the concessions without membership ratification, and then the Local Leaders will have a pajama party with management, shortly before appearing on a stage together as one advocating more work for less pay.

Then their little stooge supporters will spread lies about three maintenance bases and 12,000 jobs being saved.

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NOPE, that's not the craft union way now is it? :shock:
 
TWU informer said:
Maybe they will give up 50 years of negotiatied benefits, Dell will sign the concessions without membership ratification, and then the Local Leaders will have a pajama party with management, shortly before appearing on a stage together as one advocating more work for less pay.

Then their little stooge supporters will spread lies about three maintenance bases and 12,000 jobs being saved.



NOPE, that's not the craft union way now is it? :shock:
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Hmmm. I though


No, you are confused. THAT was what the APFA did. Remember?
 
I believe Amfa has made claims they will strike, with the coffers empty to the point the NEC has taken paycuts. This will be a true test! Will Amfa call for a strike or is it all talk and no action? Or will they wait and follow the Skirt tails of the flight Attendants. Or will they Allow the BK judge to throw out the contract?

Lets not forget Amfa has failed in every turn to negotiate anything that will benefit the membership at any of the Airlines they have a presence at since 9/11. Except for SWA who gave them a letter. (Take it or leave it).

The Clock is ticking!

Cio, again you speak out your a$$, you coward!!! Other than being a suckling to manAAgements tit, what has the twu done but roll over like a cheap whore??? WHAT DO YOU KNOW A ABOUT A "TRUE TEST"??? Simply nothing is right....

WHAT HAS THE TWU NEGOTIATED SINCE 9-11 BUT CONCESSIONS????!!!!! YES, THE twu HAS BENT OVER SINCE 1983!!!!! 22 DAMN YEARS!!!!! You have a lot of nerve questioning anyone

You know nothing but cowardice, lies, and selfishness . You wouldn't stand up for yourself in Tulsa, and your yapping about what AMFA is doing or not doing here???

You could care less about the struggles of this industry as long as you got yours. Are you going to support your fellow airline workers in this monumental stuggle by showing a backbone in what so far has been a spineless cio jellyfish???

Sorry, no UBP on the picket line clown!!!

Now go crawl back under your favorite manAAgement desk.....

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
 
So tell me CIO,when has the TWU "negotiated" anything that benefited the membership in the last 20+years? Do you call SRP's,OSM's,15 year topouts,Flex benefits,etc a victory!? When was the last time the TWU even treatened a strike?
 
Checking it Out said:
Well the pensions have been eliminated at United, Several of the Unions have voiced their concerns and have threatened a strike if this happens. At United Look here for article Amfa has made some claims that all 8 Airlines will stand befind them (Mechanics from Eight Airlines Pledge All Available Resources to Back Colleagues at United Airlines CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 5, 2005) Will Amfa call a Strike since the members voted?

Here is what the president at Local 9 has to say about what has happened!Message from the Local President

To: All UAL Members of Local 9

Subject: Upgrades and special assignments

Until further notice AMFA Local 9 is requesting that all members on upgrade assignments and special assignments return to their normal job duties.

This action is being implemented to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with the complete disregard for the goals and objectives of the negotiating committee while attempting to address the outstanding 1113c issues and to prepare UAL for the eventual removal of all of our services through legal self help actions.

While the preferred method of resolving this conflict is at the negotiating table, time now is drawing to a close where a new chapter in the war on the employees and the resulting response is about to be opened.

Anyone that is working in the above assignments that is confused about what we are asking you to do, please call me directly at: 650-826-1405

Fraternally,

Joseph Prisco President AMFA Local 9

I believe Amfa has made claims they will strike, with the coffers empty to the point the NEC has taken paycuts. This will be a true test! Will Amfa call for a strike or is it all talk and no action? Or will they wait and follow the Skirt tails of the flight Attendants. Or will they Allow the BK judge to throw out the contract?

Lets not forget Amfa has failed in every turn to negotiate anything that will benefit the membership at any of the Airlines they have a presence at since 9/11. Except for SWA who gave them a letter. (Take it or leave it).

The Clock is ticking!
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TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK.....
 
Since 9/11 the TWU has negotiated many contracts. With over 20 Airlines and over 50 contracts they have done an excellent job during these times!

Show us what Amfa has accomplished? I believe they are still averaging 8 members lost per day! Even delle admits almost 10,000 gone at United.

Come on and show us! Isn't amfa democratic and didn't the members vote to strike over this issue? Wheres the picket lines? Shouldn't we expect them up by now?
 
CIO,

When are you going to ask "Where is the AFL-CIO"?

These folks at UAL are not only fighting for the future of their own pensions, they are fighting for the future of yours also.

You are so brain hardened against AMFA you fail to see that AFL-CIO unions are also losing out and the AFL-CIO, the TWU, and the "strength in numbers" crowd are all cowering in fear, and instead having management pajama party and suck ass sessions scheduled.

Tell me CIO, what is the benefit of belonging to the AFL-CIO? Just more politicians pockets lined? Steal the workers cash, and give it to the politicians, what a plan.

You are really just hoping and counting on AMFA to save your pension, because your union has the balls or courage to stand and fight.
 
Checking it Out said:
Since 9/11 the TWU has negotiated many contracts. With over 20 Airlines and over 50 contracts they have done an excellent job during these times!

Show us what Amfa has accomplished? I believe they are still averaging 8 members lost per day! Even delle admits almost 10,000 gone at United.

Come on and show us! Isn't amfa democratic and didn't the members vote to strike over this issue? Wheres the picket lines? Shouldn't we expect them up by now?
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And how many has the TWU lost per day?

We have nearly 200 on layoff out of JFK alone, with 365 still working but for 25% less. And thats just Title I. If we were to count all those laidoff out of classifications that are considered M&R by the NMB the figure would be much higher. Lets not forget that the TWU negotiated away night shift Cabin Service.

The fact is that you only want UAL to strike because you feel that AMR will benifit from it. You are no unionist, just a henpecked hillbilly who was raised on RTW, and possibly a little moonshine, who has joined a cult called the TWU.

By the way when they do go up, dont be suprised to see more than a few TWU members out there supporting them.
 
Checking it Out said:
Since 9/11 the TWU has negotiated many contracts. With over 20 Airlines and over 50 contracts they have done an excellent job during these times!

Show us what Amfa has accomplished? I believe they are still averaging 8 members lost per day! Even delle admits almost 10,000 gone at United.

Come on and show us! Isn't amfa democratic and didn't the members vote to strike over this issue? Wheres the picket lines? Shouldn't we expect them up by now?
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Excellent job, HA HA HA; 1 airline out of 20 and 1 contract out of 50 gets a raise and that only happened because they threatened to leave the twu unless they were left alone with none, zero, nada Intl help at the table. That airline would be SWA, the rest of them you sucked at but thats's nothing new for you. The only time the Intl was allowed in was for the cermonial signing and the pictures that followed.

Tell us again how AMFA signed the last contract at UAL while the IAM was at the table negotiating it.

TWU loses 7,000 AA AMT jobs and 120K per member since 9/11 but still has time to recruit SCABS for NWA.
 
cio, once again you raise the bar for all idiots supporting the twu to achieve your level of dolthood.

"Since 9/11 the TWU has negotiated many contracts. With over 20 Airlines and over 50 contracts they have done an excellent job during these times!"

How many of these airlines have AMTs? AE & AA are one in the same.

Stop posting BS from behind an alias. Cowards are starting to complain you are giving them a bad name.

By the way, how will we recognize you when you walk a picket line in support of our profession? :ph34r:
 
Ken MacTiernan said:
By the way, how will we recognize you when you walk a picket line in support of our profession? :ph34r:
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He won't be there. He will be in the comfort of his TWU office paid for my your dues money.
 
Still United Chief Executive Glen Tilton, who angered many employees by taking a $366,000 bonus that made his pay last year one of the airline industry's highest, said the airline was turning the corner

A quote from Yahoo finance.
This statement alone is enough to make me walk. :angry:

As allways the twu suxs and so does the iam :)
 
AMFAMAN said:
Excellent job, HA HA HA; 1 airline out of 20 and 1 contract out of 50 gets a raise and that only happened because they threatened to leave the twu unless they were left alone with none, zero, nada Intl help at the table. That airline would be SWA, the rest of them you sucked at but thats's nothing new for you. The only time the Intl was allowed in was for the cermonial signing and the pictures that followed.

Tell us again how AMFA signed the last contract at UAL while the IAM was at the table negotiating it.

TWU loses 7,000 AA AMT jobs  and 120K per member since 9/11 but still has time to recruit SCABS for NWA.
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A few months back the TWUEXPRESS had an article about union pay vs non-union pay. The article said that the average for union workers was $17/hr while the average for non-union workers was only $15/hr. They must not have doublechecked their numbers before they put that out and I'm sure they pissed off a lot of their members that earn much less than those figures because the average TWU member earns around the same as the average non-union worker-$15/hr.

At $30/hr we bring the TWU average up. Figure we make up around 10% but earn double the average. They must have a lot of $5 to $7/hr workers to bring it down that much. What does a $5 or $7/hr worker gain from paying dues?

When we leave the average TWU member will probably drop to around $12/hr or less. So where is the TWU advantage? TWU members will average around $3/hr less than non-union workers, however TWU International officers will be among the highest paid in the country earning well into the six figure mark. And on top of that, they get a very generous pension, paid for by the dues payers (thats why they will have us give away anything to keep the dues flowing) where they get a 5% annual cost of living increase!