Pilot Deal

AA80Driver

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Pilot TA
Amenable 5/1/09
23% pay cut
2288 furloughs
1025 shares stock/pilot (worth a whopping 2K today)
Increased Medical/Dental copay
Increased Monthly Max 78-83 Hours
New Reserve system to maximize productivity
Unlimited RJ''s for Eagle
Vacation converted to Hours
Sick converted from days to hours
Master system flush to expedite furloughs

There''ll be more info in the next day or so
 

skyflyr69

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On 3/31/2003 7:03:30 PM AA80Driver wrote:

Pilot TA
Amenable 5/1/09
23% pay cut
2288 furloughs
1025 shares stock/pilot (worth a whopping 2K today)
Increased Medical/Dental copay
Increased Monthly Max 78-83 Hours
New Reserve system to maximize productivity
Unlimited RJ''s for Eagle
Vacation converted to Hours
Sick converted from days to hours
Master system flush to expedite furloughs

There''ll be more info in the next day or so

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Where do the furloughs come from?
 

AA80Driver

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On 4/1/2003 9:01:19 AM skyflyr69 wrote:


Where do the furloughs come from?

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Umm...the bottom of the seniority list.
 

jetdryvr

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The bottom is also where they should go in to what their seniority will hold. The details are out and it looks as if AMR gave in to APA and agreed to letting them have all future EMJ 145 and CJ 700 captain seats, plus all CJ700 FO seats. They belong at the bottom, not in seats they have no business in. The Unity boards APA put up are really pictures of APA pilots stabbing AE pilots in the back. We have problem now with the flowbacks that came through the contract why do we want more problems from APA.
 

luv2fly

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I would think there would be some animosity between the junior pilots and the senior ones. It appears that the juniors were sacrificed to save the pensions of others.
 
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wwiiairliner

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That has been the USAir strategy. Has the mgmt. promised they won''t seek any more concessions unless AMR would be under CH11? In which case, I think they''ll go CH11 some time before Sept.
 

heavy767

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Actually if you look at the deal in agregate it is far better than the UAL deal. Your retirement at UAL is gone, ours is untouched. The AA reserve system is superior and we are 83 hours not 89 like yours. As to the person who said the RJ''s are unlimited that is not quite accurate, there is a hull count ratio. AA owns 51 seats and up and all Capt. seat on 50 seat jets from here on in. Without a doubt this is a sandwich of questionable content. If you know what I mean.
 

AA80Driver

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On 4/1/2003 11:20:57 PM heavy767 wrote:

Actually if you look at the deal in agregate it is far better than the UAL deal. Your retirement at UAL is gone, ours is untouched. The AA reserve system is superior and we are 83 hours not 89 like yours. As to the person who said the RJ''s are unlimited that is not quite accurate, there is a hull count ratio. AA owns 51 seats and up and all Capt. seat on 50 seat jets from here on in. Without a doubt this is a sandwich of questionable content. If you know what I mean.

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Heavy767,

You might need to do some more thoughtful comparison of the two deals. UA did not give up there retirement: their A fund multiplier is at 1.35 while ours is 1.25 and their B fund is 9% vs. 11% for ours. But keep in mind that because we will be paid lower than UA with this TA, the companies retirment contributions are also substantiallly reduced.

Looking at the movement in monthly max, both TA have similar movement...but they started at a higher monthly figure than we did. Also, our reserve max will be 88 hours with 11 days off vice 12.

This deal will be through 2009. Are you really living to fight another day? Which day will you decide to make a stand? What is your personal threshold?

This deal costs approximately 865M. Carty, said he''d need 890M in BK... He''s asking the lessors and vendors for a whopping 200M. Are you willing to take the hit for other stakeholders outside BK and let Carty continue to screw up this once proud airline because you''re so scared of what''s behind door #3?

This profession is what it is because people before you were willing to draw a line in the sand and stand up for what was right. There are never any guarantees and no endeavor in capitalism is without risk. But there is also no reward without risk. I feel that it is way past time to make a stand and let the chips fall where they fall.
 

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