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If you want to see how a mature and experienced workforce operates you should try to do a 6 month tour at MCI. Unlike the parts changers you all get paid for, they know how to fix airplanes. If you really think the craft has deteriorated over the years, it is not because of unions, it is because people are to lazy to learn their jobs and do them efficiently. :shock:
 
I take it you know this because you speak from experience???????????

Let me guess...........AMFA supporter?????
 
it is because people are to lazy to learn their jobs and do them efficiently


My efficiency and my being lazy are a direct reflection on my union contract :lol:

you get what you pay for :up:
 
I am not sure what the post is designed to flame.

But I do know one thing, the TWA MD-80's that came to Tulsa had such massive corrosion issues that had not been maintained, that the previous TWA C-Checks hold the record in a Tulsa Dock for time in hangar, and AA decided it wasn't worth the four months per aircraft to continue the recovery.

I am not saying this all the TWA Mechanics fault, but something sure is different compared to the AA Maintenance Program.
 
Decision 2004 said:
I am not sure what the post is designed to flame.

But I do know one thing, the TWA MD-80's that came to Tulsa had such massive corrosion issues that had not been maintained, that the previous TWA C-Checks hold the record in a Tulsa Dock for time in hangar, and AA decided it wasn't worth the four months per aircraft to continue the recovery.

I am not saying this all the TWA Mechanics fault, but something sure is different compared to the AA Maintenance Program.
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yea Decision its called "PENCIL WHIPPING" something that is considered cost effecient in many maintenace programs, especially Third Party!
 
Decision 2004 said:
I am not sure what the post is designed to flame.

But I do know one thing, the TWA MD-80's that came to Tulsa had such massive corrosion issues that had not been maintained, that the previous TWA C-Checks hold the record in a Tulsa Dock for time in hangar, and AA decided it wasn't worth the four months per aircraft to continue the recovery.

I am not saying this all the TWA Mechanics fault, but something sure is different compared to the AA Maintenance Program.
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When AA has to defer airplane maintenance to save money like TWA did you will singing that song about your airplanes. 😛h34r:
 
My World said:
When AA has to defer airplane maintenance to save money like TWA did you will singing that song about your airplanes. 😛h34r:
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So, you guys gave up concessions how many times, deferred corrosion maintenance, and still went belly-up.

And now you and your gang of industrial union worshippers are leading us down that same path.

Yeah, I've seen enough of the "mature and experienced" workforce and how they operate.

Next subject please...
 
How much you see behind those welder's goggles? Answer this one...if TWA's maintenance program was so bad then why did the military adopt it? I know, because they didn't ask Stewart for his thoughts.

BTW..we get your crappy MD80's here man, with cut safeties, safety wire missing, items missing/not connected...shall I go on? I wish corrosion was AA's only problem...you guys suck.
 
Drippy Quill said:
How much you see behind those welder's goggles? Answer this one...if TWA's maintenance program was so bad then why did the military adopt it? I know, because they didn't ask Stewart for his thoughts.

BTW..we get your crappy MD80's here man, with cut safeties, safety wire missing, items missing/not connected...shall I go on? I wish corrosion was AA's only problem...you guys suck.
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You want a pat on the back because the military adopted your program? You mean the same folks with the $500 ball peen, and $900 toilet seat cover? Yeah man, now that's worthy of bragging about.

The fact will always remain that AA was profitable with a sound business plan until you came along.

Spin all you want, but the facts will never change.

There goes that almighty "we suck" again. Is that your best and only shot? I am extremely impressed, and without question, your superior debating and name calling skills leave me in the dust.
 
The fact will always remain that AA was profitable with a sound business plan until you came along.

Your own verbage proves what fact I 've been spreading...you need to remain a welder, keep your mug behind a real dark visor, hold hot slim items in your hand...no, not my privates...and entertain your dwarf buddy!...HAHAHA!!!

As part of the TWA deal St. Louis-based TWA would file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection from its creditors Wednesday and American would buy all TWA assets and preserve the jobs of its 20,000 employees.

American does not plan to continue the TWA name, reports said.

"In bankruptcy you run the risk of losing control,' Maldutis said. "Obviously [financier Carl] Icahn or the three other carriers -- Continental, Delta, Northwest -- can come in and make a bid for TWA assets."

The acquisition of TWA's St. Louis operation would give American a much-needed third mid-continent hub along with Chicago O'Hare International Airport and Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where it has run out of room to expand, the story said. AMR Corp. has its headquarters in Fort Worth, Tex.

"The advantage to American is they could buy assets very cheaply, since TWA has very low equity value, and also it would prevent another airline from moving into St. Louis and competing with American if TWA were to fail," Neidl said.

"This now brings a very strong airline into another hub, that is really needed, in the middle of the country, in St. Louis, with a lot of power, a lot of aircraft, a lot of frequencies, a lot of destinations," said aviation analyst Ed Pinto.

The agreements are expected to head off the concerns of congressional critics who have indicated that the United-US Airways deal would touch off another major round of consolidation in the airline industry, the Post reported.

In early December, a report issued by the General Accounting Office said the proposed takeover of US Airways would hurt competition in more than four times as many markets as it would help, affecting more than five times as many passengers.

With American's planned purchase of TWA and the Justice Department already having signed off on an alliance agreement between Northwest Airlines Corp. and Continental Airlines Inc., Delta Air Lines Inc., the remaining major airline, would be left with no major carrier with which to merge, the Post said.


Did I mention you suck?

07/21/2003 - Updated 09:27 AM ET

American-TWA merger deemed right move, but 9-11 changed things
More airline news


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TODAY IN THE SKY

ST. LOUIS (AP) — Optimism soared as high as 747s above Lambert Airport two years ago when American Airlines completed its buyout of bankrupt Trans World Airlines, saving thousands of jobs and retaining the St. Louis airport as a vital hub.

Two-and-a-half years later, half of those TWA workers have lost their jobs. As of November, American will cut the number of departures out of St. Louis by more than half, to 207 from 417, the company announced this week. Nonstop service will be axed to 27 destinations. Smaller planes will be used. And some believe the scaling back isn't finished yet.

It's not that Fort Worth, Texas-based American made a mistake in purchasing debt-ridden TWA, experts say. Nor, they say, has the airline betrayed its adopted community.

Simply put, fate — and the terrorists — intervened.

"In a very real sense, the terrorists won," said Michael Boyd, president of the Evergreen, Colo.-based Boyd Group, an aviation consulting firm. "Victim: St. Louis."

"Nine-11 and the inept aftermath of it basically reduced the air transportation system in revenues by 20 percent. That changed everything."

American executive vice president for marketing Dan Garton said the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were only part of the problem.

"We've had a war, terrorist threats and a SARs epidemic," Garton said. "No one could have predicted this turn of events."

Still, for some in St. Louis, there was a sense of betrayal.

Mike McDermott was laid off in July after 28 years as a flight attendant, first for TWA, then for American.

"Three years ago I told everybody we needed our seniority or the merger was going to be disastrous," McDermott said. "There is no question we were all lied to. The idea of two great airlines, one great future, was nothing but a farce. It was a way to get the politicians on their side in order to get the merger approved."

About 1,500 jobs will be lost when the latest cuts take effect Nov. 1. Many of those workers are former TWA employees who went to the bottom of American's seniority ranks with the merger. Of the 20,000 or so TWA employees at the time of the merger, about 10,000 will still be with American after the latest cuts, an American spokesman said.

McDermott, a former union leader, questioned those numbers.

"If there are 5,000 overall TWA employees who are continuing to work, I'd be surprised," he said. "They got rid of 80 percent of the pilots and 100 percent of the flight attendants. Every flight attendant who worked for TWA is laid off."

Meanwhile, about 500 more workers will be laid off Sept. 15 when American closes a reservations office in St. Louis.

This week's news was the latest in a long line of gloomy developments for the aviation industry here.

TWA, based in St. Louis, struggled for more than a decade to stay afloat despite losing money year after year after year. The downtrodden but proud airline was about to go under for good, filing for bankruptcy in January 2001, when American announced plans to purchase its assets.

Three months later, top executives from both airlines gathered with employees in an emotional merger ceremony in a hangar at Lambert. TWA and American jets stood nose-to-nose on an adjacent runway. Many longtime TWA employees cried — tears that were, in part, sadness at the loss of TWA, but mostly, happiness that they could keep doing their jobs for a profitable, vibrant company like American.

"The purchase of those assets from TWA was a brilliant stroke of strategy for American Airlines," Boyd said. "It was a good move then. Having Chicago, Dallas and St. Louis as mid-continent connecting hubs, they could dominate the business."

Garton agreed.

"Just take a minute and go back to that time," he said. "Our operations in other hubs were essentially at capacity. We had demand we couldn't meet. We needed another way to take people east and west. We were making money on almost all of our flights, and we were facing a United-US Air merger.

"Now, the world is completely topsy-turvy."

Some Missouri politicians wonder why American has singled out St. Louis and former TWA workers to take the brunt of the cutbacks. Even as Lambert flights are cut in half, American is growing operations at the Chicago O'Hare and Dallas-Fort Worth hubs.

"In two short years, a promising acquisition has turned into a string of broken promises," Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., said.

U.S. Rep. Kenny Hulshof, R-Mo., said American executives told St. Louis area congressmen during the merger talks that job losses "would not fall disproportionately on TWA employees. Those statements were false."

But analyst Juli Niemann of RT Jones in St. Louis said American should be praised, not scorned.

"Basically, American gave them (laid-off employees) three years they wouldn't have had," she said.
 
"Now, the world is completely topsy-turvy."

Some Missouri politicians wonder why American has singled out St. Louis and former TWA workers to take the brunt of the cutbacks. Even as Lambert flights are cut in half, American is growing operations at the Chicago O'Hare and Dallas-Fort Worth hubs.

"In two short years, a promising acquisition has turned into a string of broken promises," Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., said.

U.S. Rep. Kenny Hulshof, R-Mo., said American executives told St. Louis area congressmen during the merger talks that job losses "would not fall disproportionately on TWA employees. Those statements were false."

But analyst Juli Niemann of RT Jones in St. Louis said American should be praised, not scorned.

"Basically, American gave them (laid-off employees) three years they wouldn't have had," she said.


Welcome to the world of Aiation.
 
perhaps we mechanics should join up with the AFA, seems they will soon be telling the Airlines enough is enough when our wimpy lap dog union the TWU we be telling its members "just be glad you have a job brother"
 

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