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i came to my airpoirt last evening to get my car and i noticed a UNITED EXPRESS Sabb-340 on the pad. I find it unusual that the plane would be there as UAL Express normally doesnt put it on the pad. can anyone enlightned me as to this?
also does the sabb 340 give a lot of problems to the weight restricitons?
 
I commute on the new SA(shuttle america) SF340 service. The flights are generally at least 2-3 hours late. It is amazing how many problems these aircraft are having. The weight restrictions are a factor but the reliability is absolutely terrible. On the one flight I rode last week (so far I have ridden 1 time out of 4 in trying to get on the flights) the seat was stained and smelled like urine.

The crews seemed friendly and accomodating, up to the point they came and took me off for wt. restrictions. My vision sorta blurred at that point....... 😉

I would be interested to know if US had as many problems with SA as we are having?
 
Nothing against any employee who works at Shuttle America but the company is a crap bag operation. I know several pilots over there who do the best they can with what they have but...

The D.O. is a vindictive windbag who has designed a support structure for the company about as good as 30 year old support hose.

If those planes are ONLY 3 hours late... it's an improvement over the job they did at U. UALs management is sinking reeeeeeeal low hiring on a contract carrier like S.A. You guys thought MESA (Merging Every Small Airline) was bad.... just stay tuned.
 
What's interesting is SA seems to have reconfigured the Saabs for service as UAX. While at US, they were operated with 33 or 34 seats. At UA they only have 30 seats, so on its face it seems as if the weight and balance problems should be reduced at least a little. Hopefully the seat reduction will also provide greater seat pitch. Also at US, the seats had a width of 19" which isn't too bad for an express seat

Magsau,

Can you suggest the best place to sit on the Saab if you like legroom?
 
Revolutions said:
What's interesting is SA seems to have reconfigured the Saabs for service as UAX. While at US, they were operated with 33 or 34 seats. At UA they only have 30 seats, so on its face it seems as if the weight and balance problems should be reduced at least a little. Hopefully the seat reduction will also provide greater seat pitch. Also at US, the seats had a width of 19" which isn't too bad for an express seat

Magsau,

Can you suggest the best place to sit on the Saab if you like legroom?
This is actually not true. The Shuttle America Saabs (A models) have 30 seats, and did for quite some time as USX. Colgans B models may have 33. Apparently the best seats are anything behind the exit row because the last rows get the resulting legroom from the removed rows.

Robbed, the Saab you see at your station is just the same old Shuttle America in a new outfit for UAX. Theres a bunch of identity crisis Saabs still flying in and out of PIT, with no titles but US or UA half-ass paint jobs.

They were/are one of the worst US Airways Express carriers with filthy planes and unproffessional crews. They are like Mesa's country cousin.

PineyBob's put in some time on them if I recall.
 
according to the local newspaper that i read today, it said that the saab 340 flown by ual express made an emergency landing due to a fire indicator for the right engine and the plane made an emergency landing on one engine and thankfully no one was injured and the plane did not evacuateas per the airport rescue according to the paper.
 
The Shuttle America Saabs started life with a multitude of different carriers and therefore are not at all standard. They all have 30 seats but some have different gallies, some have closets etc so row 1 is not really a safe bet. Some aircraft may have legroom while others have a closet or galley inches from the seat. Plus if they need to move people for weight they move them from the front to the back. Thats all from someone I know who used to work them, plus I've flown them myself.

Also, you want to avoid at all costs seat 1A (by the door, across from the cabin jumpseat) unless you want the F/As knee in your crotch and shoe dirt from the stairs raining on your head. Thats true of most props.

The crews will tell you that the last three rows are the best, with more legroom than the exit row. But then your running into the problem with the last row: right next to the lav (its in the back on the A model). They can be pretty stinky, also the seats wont recline in the back.

In fact, going back to the lack of standardization, some of thier planes have reclining seats, some dont. Some have windowshades, some dont. Some have leather seats, some have cloth, some have US Airways seats, some dont. Some have a United paint job, some have a US one, some have half a livery, some are white, and I've even seen one in old Canadian Airlines coulours! Its like a Cracker Jack toy, you never know you might get. You might not even land at the right airport!
 
US Airways Express currently has two airlines operating Saab 340s- Colgan Air and Shuttle America. Colgan has B models with 33 or 34 seats, Shuttle America has A models with 30. SA will be out of the US system by October, but apparently thier Saab configuration is already gone from the website.

Shuttle America's website (which seems to be from the early days of internet) doesnt have any fleet info but refers to 30 seats in press releases like this one:

BED TTN Continuation (This is a press release regarding continuation of Bedford, MA- Trenton NJ service... they convieniently dont have a press release on there about how they dropped the route a couple months later with less than a day's notice.)

Come to think of it, thier website doesnt even mention anything about United Express.

http://www.shuttleamerica.com
 
The best places to sit in Shuttle Americas SAABs are any row 6 and aft. Also row 1 seats D and F. About seat 1A. The flight attendant doesn't want you there either, as its not pleasant for them to have your knees in their crotch and to be inches away (face to face) and no room to stretch out. This is a horribly placed seat and was a stupid design on the SAAB as well as the J41 and other turboprops.


About unprofessional crews, I've been on some flights and yes the F/A or the cockpit crews have been a little rough. But some friends I have that work there told me that scheduling has been insane during this United start-up. Going on a trip for 4 days and ending up being away for 5 or 6 is the norm, along with 12-16 hour duty days. Maybe some of you have been on a flight with these crews. I imagine it's hard to be pleasant all the time when you were scheduled to be done and home two days ago.

Shuttle America was formed by Chatauqua and Wexford Capital to run-out the remaining SAAB leases. Whether there is a future after the leases are up is anyones guess. The crews don't like the SAABs anymore than the passengers. They know they are hot, noisy and beat-up. But they have to pay the bills and their dues just like anyone else.

SA Management must have went to Useless Airways " How to run a laissez-faire operation and get away with it." business school. I've been told that the CEO is in the same building as every other department but never says Hello to anyone. In a company of less than 500 people, thats ridiculous.

So, was deregulation REALLY a good idea all those years ago? Depends on your side of the issue I guess...
 
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