Seniority Challenge Greets Us/hp Merger

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Bickering over seniority greets US Airways-America West merger
Tuesday, September 20, 2005

By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Flight attendants at US Airways and America West Airlines are bickering over
how to integrate employees at the two companies -- yet another sign of how
difficult it will be to combine operations of the nation's seventh- and
eighth-largest airlines even as shareholders and the courts have signed off
on their merger.

Day one of the merger is a week away -- Sept. 27. But uniting the two work
forces could take another 18 to 24 months, and executives in charge of the
new airline acknowledge that the integration of work forces and cultures is
the No. 1 challenge before the newly formed US Airways, which now ranks as
the nation's sixth-largest carrier.

Among flight attendants, seniority is already a major sticking point. US
Airways flight attendant union officials, who represent employees with many
more years on the job than most America West attendants, want seniority, or
date of hire, to be a governing policy during the merger.

America West union officials want that policy changed, and they intend to
argue that point at a National Association of Flight Attendants board
meeting in mid-October.

The fight could have a lasting impact on the merger. US Airways flight
attendant president Mike Flores said without the seniority protection, it
may be difficult for his group to approve any collective bargaining
agreement at the new US Airways. "We are not going to give this up," he
said.

Pilots at both airlines may encounter a similar problem -- US Airways has a
much older work force. But Flores also argued that America West jobs will
not be at risk if seniority is used as a guideline when merging work groups.
"A lot of their fear is fear of the unknown," he said.

Only a "cataclysmic" event -- such as thousands of job cuts -- would put
America West workers at a disadvantage and the chances of that are remote,
he added.

America West spokesman Carlo Bertolini said yesterday that winnowing down
the two work groups onto one seniority list is "one of the main challenges"
before both airlines. "We are confident that will be resolved," he said.




Only a "cataclysmic" event -- such as thousands of job cuts -- would put
America West workers at a disadvantage



The quote right here is one of the reasons why the HP Flight Attendants are fighting hard to make sure we get some kind of protection.
It's very strange how America West is the [topic="0"]acquiring Airline[/topic], Yet we are the ones that are worried about our job. DOH is unfair for the HP Flight Attendants and puts us all at a disadvantage. If we have to put a long fence, you bet we're going to fight like hell to get it. If we get some type of relative seniority in PHX, Date of hire everywhere else, we could accept something like this. This way we are protected, they are protected. But straight DOH is totally unfair and puts all the HP Flight Attendants at the disadvantage. The MECs/Union Leaders better resolve this or whoever transfers to phx might have a hard time working with HP flight attendants.

 
Unfortunately, HP FAs need to realize that 4 out of 5 USAir flight attendants are not original USAir flight attendants.. they are PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny/Mohawk/Trump.

They have all been merged as DOH per the AFA. This is *all* they know.

Next time you guys sign on a union, may help to actually read what you are signing into.
 
HP is not the aquiring airline, it is a merger funded by outside investors.
 
JSsup said:
Next time you guys sign on a union, may help to actually read what you are signing into.
[post="303448"][/post]​

SO basically you are saying US and AFA will screw the HP flight attendants. Thanks alot!
This is going to be a happy marriage. Just like Mike Flores said, this is going to be a challenge when approving any collective bargaining. They better come up with the most fair seniority integration for HP flight attendants. Relative seniority if you transfer, DOH everywhere else.
 
700UW said:
HP is not the aquiring airline, it is a merger funded by outside investors.
[post="303453"][/post]​


HP IS the aquiring airline funded by investors. It is run by HP Team hello?? Go read this news article: [post="0"]America West to acquire US Airways with the help of Investors[/post]
The ruling allows the airline to be purchased by America West. It says purchased! Acquire ! They are calling this a merger to merge both workgroups, but in a reality it is acquiring! :angry:



To get back to the original topic, we are going to have a meeting in October and all flight attendants are encouraged to attend. It is imperative that the LEC resolves this. Thank you.


HP/FA
 
This is getting soo old......DOH is the only Fair way to integrate. You bring to the table what you've rightfully earned! Plain and Simple! Who gives a sh** about PHX! We are all happy where we are at! We don't want to come to PHX to fly SWA types of flights....we have Carribean, Latin America, Europe, and ANY kind of Domestic trip we could want being based on the East Coast! Besides your long haul flights out of PHX are to the East Coast.....BFD.......we'd rather have our long haul flights to the West Coast! Stop worrying about your precious PHX, we don't care about it! We are asking for what is fair for you and us both....that's all! If another transaction occurs down the road with this Airline, then we will ALL be screwed if we alter our AFA agreement now. US has given every carrier their seniority in every merger....why?...because it's fair! Acquiring carrier......AWA....please...they needed US route structure and presence on the East Coast and Internationally to make a go of it......Just because Doug Parker is running the show DOES NOT make AWA the acquiring carrier! :angry:
 
airlinedivalish said:
SO basically you are saying US and AFA will screw the HP flight attendants. Thanks alot!
This is going to be a happy marriage. Just like Mike Flores said, this is going to be a challenge when approving any collective bargaining. They better come up with the most fair seniority integration for HP flight attendants. Relative seniority if you transfer, DOH everywhere else.
[post="303454"][/post]​

If you had read the AFA contract before even signing it, you'd read the merger provisions set forth by the AFA Constitution.

Should have fought against DOH before you signed or had that stricken from your own bylaws.

I'm not saying you all are getting screwed, I'm saying that none of the HP FA's have a leg to stand on with the DOH clause as you *all* voted in AFA.

You are unfortunately getting what you pay for.

But your fears are unfounded, we'll become a fantastic airline together, even with sticky issues like non-rev and seniority.. we'll all succeed and not haveta worry about this unless another 9/11 happens.

Lets stop kicking tires and causing bad blood between our respective work groups. We've lost enough jobs and enough pay.. time to move forward and keep what jobs we CAN and hopefully produce more of them!
 
airlinedivalish said:
Bickering over seniority greets US Airways-America West merger
Tuesday, September 20, 2005

By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Flight attendants at US Airways and America West Airlines are bickering over
how to integrate employees at the two companies -- yet another sign of how
difficult it will be to combine operations of the nation's seventh- and
eighth-largest airlines even as shareholders and the courts have signed off
on their merger.

Day one of the merger is a week away -- Sept. 27. But uniting the two work
forces could take another 18 to 24 months, and executives in charge of the
new airline acknowledge that the integration of work forces and cultures is
the No. 1 challenge before the newly formed US Airways, which now ranks as
the nation's sixth-largest carrier.

Among flight attendants, seniority is already a major sticking point. US
Airways flight attendant union officials, who represent employees with many
more years on the job than most America West attendants, want seniority, or
date of hire, to be a governing policy during the merger.

America West union officials want that policy changed, and they intend to
argue that point at a National Association of Flight Attendants board
meeting in mid-October.

The fight could have a lasting impact on the merger. US Airways flight
attendant president Mike Flores said without the seniority protection, it
may be difficult for his group to approve any collective bargaining
agreement at the new US Airways. "We are not going to give this up," he
said.

Pilots at both airlines may encounter a similar problem -- US Airways has a
much older work force. But Flores also argued that America West jobs will
not be at risk if seniority is used as a guideline when merging work groups.
"A lot of their fear is fear of the unknown," he said.

Only a "cataclysmic" event -- such as thousands of job cuts -- would put
America West workers at a disadvantage and the chances of that are remote,
he added.

America West spokesman Carlo Bertolini said yesterday that winnowing down
the two work groups onto one seniority list is "one of the main challenges"
before both airlines. "We are confident that will be resolved," he said.
Only a "cataclysmic" event -- such as thousands of job cuts -- would put
America West workers at a disadvantage

The quote right here is one of the reasons why the HP Flight Attendants are fighting hard to make sure we get some kind of protection.
It's very strange how America West is the [topic="0"]acquiring Airline[/topic], Yet we are the ones that are worried about our job. DOH is unfair for the HP Flight Attendants and puts us all at a disadvantage. If we have to put a long fence, you bet we're going to fight like hell to get it. If we get some type of relative seniority in PHX, Date of hire everywhere else, we could accept something like this. This way we are protected, they are protected. But straight DOH is totally unfair and puts all the HP Flight Attendants at the disadvantage. The MECs/Union Leaders better resolve this or whoever transfers to phx might have a hard time working with HP flight attendants.


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I guess I am missing your "point". The AWA flight attendants will have "BASE SENIORITY" and be "GRANDFATHERED" in the PHX base long after the fence is down.There is NOT going to be a "flush and bump". The ONLY ways that US Air flight attendants will be coming to PHX is if there is a vacancy (by someone leaving the company or the base) OR if the company decides to "open the base" due to a large increase in PHX flying.
This information has been on the AFA 66 website since early this summer.
Also, somewhere in the merger agreement you missed the word MERGER. THIS IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, AND NEVER WILL BE A BUYOUT OF ONE AIRLINE TO/FROM THE OTHER.
Date of hire is the ONLY way to FAIRNESS. Everyone must accept the FACT that there is a MERGER going on here, and THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THEIR SENIORITY NUMBER IS THE NUMBER 1 FLIGHT ATTENDANT AT US AIR.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
PLUS the FACT that even IF HP was the aquiring airline, which it isn't, DATE OF HIRE WOULD STILL BE MANDATED.
Hulagirl's coconuts are getting shaken! WHEEWWW.
 
JSsup said:
If you had read the AFA contract before even signing it, you'd read the merger
Lets stop kicking tires and causing bad blood between our respective work groups. We've lost enough jobs and enough pay.. time to move forward and keep what jobs we CAN and hopefully produce more of them!
[post="303472"][/post]​

Thank you.....if you start out fighting, it will never be a good merge! Hopefully, if we leave this seniority thing alone, we'll all get along just fine! Besides, aren't there any AWA F/A's that want to fly to Europe out of the East Coast too? If there are, wouldn't you want to have some seniority to do so. Just a thought. ;)
 
I would LOVE to do international flying, but wouldnt be senior enough. And, that, my friends, is the way the cookie crumbles. SENIORITY RULES.................
 
JSsup said:
Unfortunately, HP FAs need to realize that 4 out of 5 USAir flight attendants are not original USAir flight attendants.. they are PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny/Mohawk/Trump.

They have all been merged as DOH per the AFA. This is *all* they know.

Next time you guys sign on a union, may help to actually read what you are signing into.
[post="303448"][/post]​
For that very reason, the proposed change stands a snowballs chance in hell of passing.
 
Im just happy that the senior FAs at HP seem to know what is right! It appears the new hires are the ones worried. They don't see the big deal in giving up senority they have earned because lets face it they don't have that much. We already know that PHX is short FAs and they have to come from somewhere. Eventually people senior will transfer in it's just gonna happen. I just hope we move past this. We all know it is going to be date of hire. It is the only fair way.
 
hulagirl said:
I would LOVE to do international flying, but wouldnt be senior enough. And, that, my friends, is the way the cookie crumbles. SENIORITY RULES.................
[post="303478"][/post]​

Not neccessarily true.....may not be able to hold it in block bidding......but you can always pick it up off the ETB. What a way to spend that day off....having coffee or a cocktail in an outside bistro on The Champs-Elysee or in a German Bier Gaarten....not too shabby! Beats sitting around the house doing laundry! :lol: The most junior F/A's are flying to Rome, Venice, etc.,. :up:
 

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