Soldier confesses to Iraqi rape

[Garfield1966]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

I cannot find the article but on Nightline a few weeks ago they showed an experiment done back in the 50’s maybe (it was in B&W). The gist of it was that a ‘good’ person can be easily manipulated to do bad things. They showed a man in front of a console. He was asking questions of the ‘victim’ via a microphone. If the victim gave an incorrect response, he was to receive a shock. Each incorrect response incurred a higher voltage shock, I believe at the end, the victim was receiving about 300 volts. All the while you can hear the screams of the victim as the shocks got progressively higher.

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

 

[local 12 proud]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

I cannot find the article but on Nightline a few weeks ago they showed an experiment done back in the 50’s maybe (it was in B&W). The gist of it was that a ‘good’ person can be easily manipulated to do bad things. They showed a man in front of a console. He was asking questions of the ‘victim’ via a microphone. If the victim gave an incorrect response, he was to receive a shock. Each incorrect response incurred a higher voltage shock, I believe at the end, the victim was receiving about 300 volts. All the while you can hear the screams of the victim as the shocks got progressively higher.

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

Wow a couple of rotten apples in the military and all of a sudden its a training failure?

You are a complete imbecile, It boggles my mind how someone can be so Naieve, or is this just another left wing attack against our ARMED FORCES by a liberal whacko?

Whats your excuse for this statistic genius?
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

Cant wait to read your twisted logic on this one.

 

[Garfield1966]

Never intended it to be an attack on anyone. Not sure how you got that interpretation. Never said it was a training failure, in fact I even mentioned that this kind of training might be required for their survival. I do believe that it does carry a risk. Since I have no personal knowledge of the individuals involved other than what has been shown on the news I have not passed judgement on them. I also have not condemned the soldiers involved with the Abu-Garhib (sp?) atrocities either. I believe it was you who mentioned something about assumptions?

What I was trying to convey was that for one person to commit a violent act (such as rape) against another, they must be dehumanized. It is my belief that comments such as yours that paint with a very broad brush contribute to such an atmosphere. I am mearly speculating that our society is becoming very desensitized to violence. I believe it would behoove the armed forces to look very closely at who they induct into their ranks as this could have an adverse affect on their standing and reputation. Just look at the outcry in Okinagwa (sp?) I believe when the US soldier raped the Japanese girl.

You seem to enjoy hurling personal insults at people. Does this full fill you in some way? Just curious.

 

[delldude]

So in effect...anyone in any major city who commits some form or another of an act of violence to any individual has been trained to be dehumanized?? :blink:

FDR's welfare state has dehumanized a whole culture of beings....Garfield has spoken to the truth of all society's ails.....

Training...line five,Tuesdays....Eleven o'clock. B) B)

 

[delldude]

Just look at the outcry in Okinagwa (sp?) I believe when the US soldier raped the Japanese girl.

2005 Statistics
In 2005, there were 191,670 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assaults according to the 2005 National Crime Victimization Survey (pdf).

Of the average annual 200,780 victims in 2004-2005, about 64,080 were victims of completed rape, 51,500 were victims of attempted rape, and 85,210 were victims of sexual assault.

Because of the methodology of the National Crime Victimization Survey, these figures do not include victims 12 or younger. While there are no reliable annual surveys of sexual assaults on children, (pdf) the Justice Department has estimated that one of six victims are under age 12.



It's Not Always a Stranger Hiding in the Bushes
Contrary to the belief that rapists are hiding in the bushes or in the shadows of the parking garage, almost two-thirds of all rapes were committed by someone who is known to the victim. 73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger – 38% of perpetrators were a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 28% were an intimate and 7% were another relative.

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HOLEE SHEE-YUT,OKIES GOT ONE ON THEIR ISLAND

 

[local 12 proud]

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HOLEE SHEE-YUT,OKIES GOT ONE ON THEIR ISLAND

You have got to be kidding me, there are actually perverts in this world other than our ARMED FORCES? :unsure:

 

[UAL_TECH]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

I cannot find the article but on Nightline a few weeks ago they showed an experiment done back in the 50’s maybe (it was in B&W). The gist of it was that a ‘good’ person can be easily manipulated to do bad things. They showed a man in front of a console. He was asking questions of the ‘victim’ via a microphone. If the victim gave an incorrect response, he was to receive a shock. Each incorrect response incurred a higher voltage shock, I believe at the end, the victim was receiving about 300 volts. All the while you can hear the screams of the victim as the shocks got progressively higher.

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

No ####!!!

It should not take a brain surgeon to determine that war is hell and when you bring hell to the ignorant and innocent young lives that they react with the knowledge that they have been taught or perceive. War is "HELL" and our troops are living it on a daily basis.

It might not be so intolerable if they where also not encumbered with ‘rules of engagement’ that change almost daily and continue to favor self sacrifice over killing the enemy.

That is why I will never vote for the ‘Chicken Hawks’ that supported this fiasco as they should have known better from their own combat experience.

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human.

Soldiers are "trained" by specific DOD guidelines.
Soldiers are 'taught' by their environment.

Go to Iraq in boots and cammies, sleep in the sand and give them a hug for the USA while your countrymen beat you up for doing your duty to your country.

B) UT

 

[delldude]

Go to Iraq in boots and cammies, sleep in the sand and give them a hug for the USA while your countrymen beat you up for doing your duty to your country.

B) UT

Yeah....clowns like garfield and their liberal crowd.

 

[777 fixer]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

Do you know for a fact that they were trained to view Iraqis as "un-human"? Is this supposed training official DOD policy or is it some sort of unofficial unit based training? Or are you just assuming that this training actually exists. If so why, is it some sort of personal prejudice coming to the surface?

 

[wnbubbleboy]

You have got to be kidding me, there are actually perverts in this world other than our ARMED FORCES? :unsure:

With the United Nations already under fire for the Oil-for-Food mega-scandal and other corruption, sensational allegations of rampant sexual exploitation and rape of young girls and women by the U.N.'s so-called "peacekeepers" and civilian staffers in the Congo is dragging the global body's reputation to an all-time low.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=42088

 

[delldude]

With the United Nations already under fire for the Oil-for-Food mega-scandal and other corruption, sensational allegations of rampant sexual exploitation and rape of young girls and women by the U.N.'s so-called "peacekeepers" and civilian staffers in the Congo is dragging the global body's reputation to an all-time low.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=42088

Hey,Hey ,hey now...you're posting non-credible sources and subject to liberal intervention....

 

[UAL_TECH]

Yeah....clowns like garfield and their liberal crowd.

Test........... 😛

 

[777 fixer]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

Go on Jetnet and the homecoming of FSC Bryan Anderson is covers on AATV. Maybe you could ask him about that supposed training.

 

[local 12 proud]

Go on Jetnet and the homecoming of FSC Bryan Anderson is covers on AATV. Maybe you could ask him about that supposed training.

Unless he's a Left wing Bush hating liberal his testimony has no credibility with the demoncrats of our day. :angry:

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/15/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

I cannot find the article but on Nightline a few weeks ago they showed an experiment done back in the 50’s maybe (it was in B&W). The gist of it was that a ‘good’ person can be easily manipulated to do bad things. They showed a man in front of a console. He was asking questions of the ‘victim’ via a microphone. If the victim gave an incorrect response, he was to receive a shock. Each incorrect response incurred a higher voltage shock, I believe at the end, the victim was receiving about 300 volts. All the while you can hear the screams of the victim as the shocks got progressively higher.

The reason I bring this up is that I think part of the problem with our soldiers is that they are being trained to look at all Iraqies as un-human. Even a 14 year old girl. I am not excusing the actions of this soldier or the other 3 who may have been involved but when we dehumanize someone, it makes it easier to do horrible things to them. One could argue that for a soldier to fight and survive, to some degree they must isolate them selves from what they are doing, but then we seem to run the risk of our soldiers committing unspeakable acts such as this and those alleged in Viet-Nam.

Up until WWII this was true. AS is the case in war, the de-humanization of the enemy is vital to the troops on the ground. When you can look a man right in his eye, and your trying to kill him, and he's trying to kill you, the one who hesitates, and questions the ethics and morals of the situation, goes home in a body bag..that simple. Back then, this was a known fact, accepted by by most people as a cost of war. In todays politically correct society, it is considered offensive to the other side to "profile" or de humanize him. After all, we dont want to hurt the feelings of the poor guy as we smash his head in with an E-tool.