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On Monday, President Barack Obama directed the Environmental Protection Agency to reconsider a waiver request by California and 13 other states to set standards on auto emissions – including those of greenhouse gases – that are tougher than federal standards.

Obama embraces states’ rights on auto emissions

Maybe this will get the SUV's/Trucks off the roads and get the big three (if they survive) to start building 40mpg + cars and get the electric/fuel cell industry going.

California does not mess around with this stuff. They will be looking for very stringent requirements.
 
Obama embraces states’ rights on auto emissions

Maybe this will get the SUV's/Trucks off the roads and get the big three (if they survive) to start building 40mpg + cars and get the electric/fuel cell industry going.

California does not mess around with this stuff. They will be looking for very stringent requirements.

Maybe not...

Lower gas prices send buyers after big cars again

What people want (market) will dictate what the auto makers will build. Not government.
 
Maybe this will get the SUV's/Trucks off the roads and get the big three (if they survive) to start building 40mpg + cars and get the electric/fuel cell industry going.

California does not mess around with this stuff. They will be looking for very stringent requirements.

California is EPA mandated.....Duh.

Tell me how many of the high dollar Caleefornya residents own SUV's.
 
Car manufactures will manufacture to the strictest mandates as they do now. The reason we have to get rid of SUV's/Trucks is because they are a waste. People are not buying them as much and that is art of the reason we have to bail out the big three. They are trying for the easy money. Fuel will go up again. There is no reason to be driving one unless you are towing a large item or hauling a large item.

As mush as I hate it there are times when people do not know whats good for them. They want trucks.. why I do not know but that is part of the problem. Need to get rid of them and into smaller more efficient vehicles. I have been through out Europe and some how they manage to get by without them.
 
1) We're not Europe so who gives a crap what they do?

Perhaps they can be viewed as an example?

2) Who are you to tell me what I can and can not buy?

Can't buy a M1 tank or a fully auto machine gun either. When your greed/selfishness wastes a finite resource that I also depend on then it becomes a matter of my self preservation.

3) Freedom is also the God given right to make purchase decisions that don't meet your self appointed all knowing vision of life on earth.

See above

4) Government mandates will further erode the US manufacturers ability to compete.

Yes, the air bags, safety belts and other mandates sure have screwed the auto makers.

The world has witnessed the effects of Government Control of an economy, it WAS called the USSR.

And of course there is no middle ground right. Anarchy or communism? Are those my only choices? There are safety restriction and mandates all around. Building codes, food codes, restaurant codes, ... you name it. You can not turn around in your home with ot seeing somethign that has codes and regulations as to how it is built, licensed, inspected etc.
 
PB, in a perfect world where everyone over the age of 18 actually behaved like an adult that philosophy would be just fine. However, in this Oprah-fied world of ours where unhappiness is treated as a disease instead of part of the human condition, people have developed the attitude that "whatever I WANT to do is my Constitutional RIGHT to do."

Case in point...cell phones on the airplane. Until a year or so ago, cell phones were supposed to be turned off when the seat belt sign came on during boarding--usually 10 minutes prior to scheduled departure. So, these people that know that the world and their company would collapse if they were not in actual contact 24 hours a day decided that they could continue using their phone until the door closed OR they got caught by the f/a. (Just because you have your cell phone covered with both hands and your face turned to the window does not mean you or your activities are invisible to the f/a. :lol: )

Now, that they allow cell phone use until the door closes, those same people have decided that they can continue using their phones until a)the a/c starts moving, b)the a/c leaves the ground, c)you finish that last 3 text messages that you HAVE to send, or d) the flight attendant catches you with your phone still on and in use.

Your Libertarian view automatically results in Anarchy simply because the majority of people in this world are convinced that the rules do not apply to them, or they don't have to follow any rule they don't understand or like. When I tell someone their cell phone/MP3 player/DVD/laptop has to be turned off, at least 50% of the time the response is, "Why?" Or, they want to argue that if their phone is in airplane mode, they don't have to turn it off. (Yes, they do. If you want to argue this point, take it up with the FAA and the FCC. They didn't discuss it with me before they made the rule.) Understand I don't mean you personally. I'm using the rhetorical you.

Even though you KNOW for a fact that your cell phone won't interfere with the a/c electronics, I'm not willing to let you risk my life and the lives of the rest of the passengers on the possibility that you might be wrong. When the FAA and the FCC promulgate a rule that your cell phone is ok to stay on, then it's ok with me.
 
If Barack Obama were truly in favor of states' rights, then all of his talk about gun control would be a bunch of hooey. Sadly I'm afraid that "states rights" are fine with Obama only if it matches his liberal agenda.
 
I was writing to JS.

Regardless, people (mainly republicans it seems) are always looking for state rights and when it happens now they are pissed. Seems like people only want it wen it works in their favor.
 
CAFE standards are federal. As far as I am aware, California will have no impact on that. California only deals with the tail pipe emissions. The car manufactures end up making all vehicles CA legal because it is easier to make 1 car than 50. The manufactures knew this would be coming eventually. Why they were not looking at low emission technology is beyond me.
 

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