The Chickens are coming home to roost !

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Jesus,... I NEVER thought I'd congratulate Scott Walker for anything !  However, Walker (he, of decimating Teachers and thier Unions) was the catalyst of ' a small snowball that hurtling down the mountainside, going faster and about to become HUGE in Size ' .
 
Check this out.  🙄
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2015/08/13/indianas-got-a-problem-too-many-teachers-dont-want-to-work-there-anymore/?ref=yfp
 
Now the beauty of this, isn't that THIS is in hard core Union states like NY or Massachusetts or New Jersey or Connecticut, RI, or Ca, or Minnesota etc. , but smack dab in the heart of ' RED COUNTRY' .  🙄
Furthermore, all states are Mandated by LAW to provide public education to school age children of every state, most of whom cannot afford charter schools.  The ' Millenials ' are SMART (nationwide) and I'd argue are a majority of  " D " voters.  Sooooo, (hypothetically),  what's a (shiit-hole) state like TEXAS to do, if these kids say SCREW-IT, I'm not going to college for teaching ?  Maybe Texas could OUTSOURCE those jobs to meet state/federal teaching obligations.  OOOPS, can't do that, because teachers have to be certified/licenced.
 
WOW.  Thanks Scott Walker  !!!!   😉

 

[eolesen]

I quit teaching decades ago mainly because of not wanting to be around other teachers. Every time I go to a parent-teacher conference, that decision gets reinforced.

Another factor -- I know several teachers who decided to retire rather than adopt to Common Core. They don't want a centralized government agency deciding what they teach.

Add all that up, and being a teacher is really just the same as working at the DMV, with the addition of some scissors & paste...

Oh, and your charter school comment? Sheer ignorance on your part --- charter schools are tuition free.

The money that would have gone to the school district follows the student over to the charter school. There's no tuition. They even get the free & reduced rate lunch programs that a public school offers.

I'm a huge fan of charters. They provide competition, it's usually a better learning experience, and because they're run as for-profit enterprises in most cases, there is far less wasted spending.

 

[Dog Wonder]

because they're run as for-profit enterprises in most cases, there is far less wasted spending.

So they can make more profit with government dollars.

 

[Ifly2]

"that up, and being a teacher is really just the same as working at the DMV, with the addition of some scissors & paste..."


You proud of that statement?

Thank you for quitting.

Seriously

The world needs a lot of things, but teachers with that attitude isn't one of them.

Keep on posting, adulation of meth dealers, teaching is the DMV

Character on display....

Keep posting

 

[KCFlyer]

Teachers are also quitting in Kansas, thanks the the GOP wet dream experiment (which isn't working BTW), and it's not because of Common Core.  My kid's a senior in college this year, and I thank God she got thru K-12 under Sebilius.  Since education isn't a right (according to the right) they are leaving because they are sick of the cuts.  Despite the school funding we had when my kid was in school, pretty much every teacher she had spent money out of their own pockets in order to do their job - teach kids.  My best friend's daughter is an 8th grade teacher (science) in that glorious wonderland of Texas....she spent $3,000 of her own money to get materials to do experiments so she could show kids what they were reading.  
 
Back when I was a kid, being a teacher was a respected position...right up there with cops, firemen, and doctors.  But the right has made them hated...and it's hard to be a teacher when you are hated in a red state.  I was driving back to KC from Manhattan, KS a couple of weeks ago.  On the turnpike just outside of Lawrence, KS were signs for the Independence MISSOURI school district - they are hiring teachers.  Kansas isn't a big state population wise, but this past year, over 3,000 teachers left the profession.  The republican solution is to allow uncertified teachers to teach.
 
People wonder why the US lags other countries (where education IS  a right) in science.  Do they not read the papers?   

 

[Kev3188]

They can't. All the literacy programs were cut...

 

[Ifly2]

Take from kids, give to gladiator owners...

I thought these people were conservative, and fiscally conservative believers in Capitalism?

Why would a sports franchise or stadium to house them need, or deserve, public assistance?

Ever?

If it is such a good idea, and financially sound, why aren't there other Capitalists lined up around the block ready to invest their money, and reap the rewards?

Because it is a lie. The investors and developers are every bit as Socialist as the worst Welfare Queen. They gotta' get their government handout too, and with guarantees that they won't lose a dime, and the profits go in their pockets.

They just look different

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Teachers are also quitting in Kansas, thanks the the GOP wet dream experiment (which isn't working BTW), and it's not because of Common Core.  My kid's a senior in college this year, and I thank God she got thru K-12 under Sebilius.  Since education isn't a right (according to the right) they are leaving because they are sick of the cuts.  Despite the school funding we had when my kid was in school, pretty much every teacher she had spent money out of their own pockets in order to do their job - teach kids.  My best friend's daughter is an 8th grade teacher (science) in that glorious wonderland of Texas....she spent $3,000 of her own money to get materials to do experiments so she could show kids what they were reading.  
 
Back when I was a kid, being a teacher was a respected position...right up there with cops, firemen, and doctors.  But the right has made them hated...and it's hard to be a teacher when you are hated in a red state.  I was driving back to KC from Manhattan, KS a couple of weeks ago.  On the turnpike just outside of Lawrence, KS were signs for the Independence MISSOURI school district - they are hiring teachers.  Kansas isn't a big state population wise, but this past year, over 3,000 teachers left the profession.  The republican solution is to allow uncertified teachers to teach.
 
People wonder why the US lags other countries (where education IS  a right) in science.  Do they not read the papers?   

 
 
 
KCF,
 
It's a .........  C.......C........C.  
 
C.  CONSERVATIVE
C.  CAPITALISTIC
C.  CORPERATION(s) ................... "Perfect Storm" !
 
Bad schooling  =  Lower Intelligence  =  Easily Manipulated ( aka  Brainwashed ) =  Republican Voter (low wage earner) assisted by a 'healthy DOSE' of Evangelical Christianity !
 
Did I hear someone mumble  ' You're Wrong '   ?
 
NO I'm Not, and I can PROVE it !  For example,  W  H  Y  are the poorest, least educated states in the USA ( AL/MS/GA/LA/AR/TN/KY) always voting solid RED  ????
 
This is WHY the.........' F ' - GOP  does NOT want a Middle Class.  Keep them......... BAREFOOT, DUMB and voting 'RED'.
 
Those under-educated, brainwashed, low wage earners might just as well be a shovelfull of Coal, or wood logs, used to stoke the insatiable appetite of that massive Corperate boiler/engine  !
 
'Tree has been saying it correctly FOR YEARS on this board, when he's said/says............. "I'll NEVER understand how the (under) affluent voter, can vote against thier own self interest " ?
 
It's NOT rocket science folks !

 

[eolesen]

No, Bears, teaching is not rocket science, and yet in some places in Illinois, you've got retired teachers pulling in $70K in retirement pay. It's no coincidence they have over $50B in unfunded teacher pension obligations.

There's no justification for teachers getting pensions larger than what retired police, fire, or even pilots pull in, yet that's exactly what's happened.

When public education becomes such a huge drain on the economy that they have to stop repairing roads in order to pay teacher pensions, there's a problem.

There's nothing wrong with un-certified teachers that have appropriate life experiences.

One of the science teachers at my son's charter school worked for 20 years at NASA before going into teaching. Far smarter than some 20-something fresh out of university, and a lifetime of experience to bring to the classroom. Same thing with the music teacher. Across town, at the STEM charter school, they had people who'd worked as engineers at places like Raytheon and Honeywell now teaching physics and advanced math. Again, practical knowledge trumps someone passing the teacher certification exam but not being able to explain how it's actually applied.

Would you rather take business or computer programming classes from someone who has never actually done that for a living, or someone who has?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

No, Bears, teaching is not rocket science, and yet in some places in Illinois, you've got retired teachers pulling in $70K in retirement pay. It's no coincidence they have over $50B in unfunded teacher pension obligations.

There's no justification for teachers getting pensions larger than what retired police, fire, or even pilots pull in, yet that's exactly what's happened.

When public education becomes such a huge drain on the economy that they have to stop repairing roads in order to pay teacher pensions, there's a problem.

There's nothing wrong with un-certified teachers that have appropriate life experiences.

One of the science teachers at my son's charter school worked for 20 years at NASA before going into teaching. Far smarter than some 20-something fresh out of university, and a lifetime of experience to bring to the classroom. Same thing with the music teacher. Across town, at the STEM charter school, they had people who'd worked as engineers at places like Raytheon and Honeywell now teaching physics and advanced math. Again, practical knowledge trumps someone passing the teacher certification exam but not being able to explain how it's actually applied.

Would you rather take business or computer programming classes from someone who has never actually done that for a living, or someone who has?

 
Eric,   YOU have no  F - Problem  with Banks (Corperations ) and mortgages, with thier LEGAL rules an Agreements,....yet you have...HUGE problems with  LEGAL Union agreements / contracts.  For example, the city of Chicago (somewhere back in time) signed a LEGAL agreement to allow the (say) NEA to represent its teachers.  As time went on, and the price of EVERYTHING continue to rise (PRICES DICTATED via CORPERATIONS)....renewable LEGAL contracts were signed. (How'm I doing so far Eric) ???
 
If LEGAL agreements were signed allowing retired teachers to pull in 70K, so be it.
 
If prices continue to rise (similiar to  ' a rising tide lifts ALL Boats ' ) then EVERYTHING must rise, Including, in the case of Chicago,................  $$$$$   TAXES  !!
 
You copy  ??????

 

[eolesen]

If you want to negotiate a contract with a for profit company, go for it. The person signing that document is accountable to the owners.

What I have a problem with are public sector unions, Bears.

Politicians who negotiate contracts with public sector employees are never held accountable because they make promises someone else has to figure out how to pay for.

If those contracts had been on a ballot referendum, I'd be all in favor of honoring them. They weren't.

Even Amtrak is held more accountable than state or municipal employees are.

If that happens in a business, so be it. Shareholders invest knowing they might take it in the shorts.

Since paying taxes isn't optional, that shouldn't be happening with taxpayers. When I lived in Cook County, we got back very little of what we paid in taxes. Most of it went to subsidize Chicago. Thank God we no longer live near Cook County, but my family will be bailing out Chicago corruption as long as they continue to live there.

 

[Ms Tree]

I think it is unfortunate that people view salaries for teachers as a drain yet a $1.5 trillion price tag for a combat platform (F-35) that has significant issues barely makes the news.  
 
As for the salary difference between first responders and teachers, I do agree that is wrong.  The first responders need to be paid significantly more than they are.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

If you want to negotiate a contract with a for profit company, go for it. The person signing that document is accountable to the owners.

What I have a problem with are public sector unions, Bears.

Politicians who negotiate contracts with public sector employees are never held accountable because they make promises someone else has to figure out how to pay for.

If those contracts had been on a ballot referendum, I'd be all in favor of honoring them. They weren't.

Even Amtrak is held more accountable than state or municipal employees are.

If that happens in a business, so be it. Shareholders invest knowing they might take it in the shorts.

Since paying taxes isn't optional, that shouldn't be happening with taxpayers. When I lived in Cook County, we got back very little of what we paid in taxes. Most of it went to subsidize Chicago. Thank God we no longer live near Cook County, but my family will be bailing out Chicago corruption as long as they continue to live there.

 
Ok Eric, Fine, I'm with you PART WAY.
 
Make 'the people/person'  RESPONSIBLE for pensions of 70K.
 
NOT the old lady who's receiving said pension.
 
She DID NOTHING WRONG  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[eolesen]

Interesting. You hold the "little old lady receiving said pension" blameless for having negotiated an unsustainable retirement benefit?

Why should public sector employees be insulated from what's happened to private sector union employees who negotiated an unsustainable retirement benefit?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Who said that the retiree that was receiving said pension was the person responsible for negotiating ANYTHING ?
 
I N T E R E S T I N G, huh  !!!