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Read the blog about it here


http://crankyflier.com/2010/05/12/us-airways-makes-further-strides-in-baggage-handling-with-planeside-scanning/
 
This actually sounds pretty cool. I'd like to hear more about it from those of you on this board who have been using it "in the field" for a while.
 
This actually sounds pretty cool. I'd like to hear more about it from those of you on this board who have been using it "in the field" for a while.

It's actually VERY cool to see that US Airways is adopting a system very similar to the one FedEx uses and has had since oh 1985 But hey better late than never.

This is what happens when you get a REAL operations and IT guy instead of the DIY morons they had at merger. Sadly even the brightest and best can't seem to fix SHARES, but hey you may have a hard time making a reservation but once you do, at least you'll know where your bag is/isn't and that's a positive.
 
Kudos for tracking the bags. Great idea. Glad Fedex thought of it...
Now, if they could just port that information over to CLP for the Weight & Balance closeout, things could run even smoother.
I asked the baggage guys a few weeks ago if the count was automatically sent to the computer. Answer? No, just tracking data.
As it is now, if the baggage handlers forget to run inside and input the bags-in-the-bin data, the plane will sit out on the taxiway, burning fuel and incurring delay, until the individual is found and the data put in the computer.
How often does this happen?
All the time.
Cheers.
 
Read the blog about it here


http://crankyflier.com/2010/05/12/us-airways-makes-further-strides-in-baggage-handling-with-planeside-scanning/

Bret, who writes the blog is a real good guy and a great airline geek/blogger, he has a very readable site that is free (Holly, listen up) and he has a good take on the industry.
 
This actually sounds pretty cool. I'd like to hear more about it from those of you on this board who have been using it "in the field" for a while.


Personally, I don't like it. It slows the upload and download because we either need additonal people just to scan bags or someone needs to take time to scan before pushing the bag out the bin door. The scanners mean that getting local bags to passengers take longer and it means that connect runners have less time to make the hot connect. The bags could be scanned by the person stacking the bags on the cart, but I'll be damn if I am going to hold a scanner in one hand and try to lift and stack a 40 pound bag with the other hand. Some more talented bag stackers can figure how to load a cart while keeping the tags up and out, and scan the tags after the download, but there is little consistancy on the location of the tags relative to the bags, so some tags are covered underneath other bags on top and don't get scanned. I have proposed to management by using rampers on light duty to do nothing but scan tags, especially on the down load, as the scanners don't weight more than a few pounds, but so far I haven't seen this being done.

I think the scanning is more of a gimmick so the passenger can "watch" their bag via the internet. The problems in PHL missing bags weren't fixed because of scanners. Not sure what it matters if a bag was scanned in CLT on a flight to PHL, but the bag does not show-up at the baggage pick-up. Does that mean it was pulled from the flight? Does that mean it wasn't scanned in PHL and lost in the meanwhile? Does it mean it was left on the plane as a through bag? Does it mean the tag fell off? Does it mean someone went home with it? When a bag goes missing it isn't as if there is a lock-down of the facilities and an in-depth interogation of all rampers involved. In fact, rarely ever hear there was even a bag missing. The scanners don't "find" the bag, it just tracks where it was last seen... from there... who knows?

So Confides Jester.
 
Kudos for tracking the bags. Great idea. Glad Fedex thought of it...
Now, if they could just port that information over to CLP for the Weight & Balance closeout, things could run even smoother.
I asked the baggage guys a few weeks ago if the count was automatically sent to the computer. Answer? No, just tracking data.
As it is now, if the baggage handlers forget to run inside and input the bags-in-the-bin data, the plane will sit out on the taxiway, burning fuel and incurring delay, until the individual is found and the data put in the computer.
How often does this happen?
All the time.
Cheers.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion that your assertions are correct. Automating the tasks you mention would seem to be a logical extension of the current project.

Anyone who has ever read a post by me KNOWS I have been a long standing and harsh critic of US Airways IT. This time around with a non moron at the top and a solid opps guy what I think you're seeing is a logical progression to integrate the all of the tasks. Usually the best way to do that with minimum disruption is to do it in stages.

I'm starting to warm to this guy Isom, however his apparent competence shines a very bright light on Scott Kirby's lack thereof.
 
It's actually VERY cool to see that US Airways is adopting a system very similar to the one FedEx uses and has had since oh 1985 But hey better late than never.
Grocery stores were using bar code scanners even before that. What's your point?

Now, if they could just port that information over to CLP for the Weight & Balance closeout, things could run even smoother.
I asked the baggage guys a few weeks ago if the count was automatically sent to the computer. Answer? No, just tracking data.
Keep in mind that the scanner here is very much a work in progress, with software updates and modifications being regularly rolled out. We now have real-time tracking where when loading a flight we can see how many bags we still are waiting for, which flights they are coming off of, and the inbound gates and ETA's for those flights, or the times when they actually arrived; considering how they're now working the first software version we had seems primitive in hindsight.

I think one of their long term goals is to have a scanner interface that will allow the user to not just commit bag totals but also eventually everything else that's been loaded and close the flight out, but I don't know. Although it's working well now I have some gripes over how the scanning program was implemented but I'll digress.

As it is now, if the baggage handlers forget to run inside and input the bags-in-the-bin data, the plane will sit out on the taxiway, burning fuel and incurring delay, until the individual is found and the data put in the computer.
How often does this happen?
All the time.
Cheers.
Yes, it's the fault of the lazy and forgetful "baggage handler guys", sounds like you got the stats right at your fingertips. Good call. Yes, sometimes people forget to close out their flights. Sometimes Sabre acts up and locks you out. Sometimes you have to call one of the very friendly CLP folks in PIT to finalize the load. Sometimes this takes a while. It's a system involving human beings and machines and software made by human beings.

I can guarantee you the amount of fuel wasted waiting for closeout numbers is a slim fraction of the fuel wasted sitting in the holding pen for 40 minutes waiting for a gate.

I have proposed to management by using rampers on light duty to do nothing but scan tags, especially on the down load, as the scanners don't weight more than a few pounds, but so far I haven't seen this being done.
This happens from time to time.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion that your assertions are correct. Automating the tasks you mention would seem to be a logical extension of the current project.
There's only so much streamlining that can happen within this process, given the accuracy required for the load data there's always going to have be a human being needed to manually confirm the load data and close out the flight. As it is now we are instructed not to use the bag counts on the scanner when inputting loads into Sabre but to keep manual physical counts of all the bags. This infers that not all bags end up getting scanned, and this inference is accurate.

Anyone who has ever read a post by me KNOWS I have been a long standing and harsh critic of US Airways IT. This time around with a non moron at the top and a solid opps guy what I think you're seeing is a logical progression to integrate the all of the tasks. Usually the best way to do that with minimum disruption is to do it in stages.
Given the complexity of the systems involved, how they're expected to work together, how they're integrated into the operation, and indeed the size of the operation make it so that smaller, incremental changes are completely necessary.
 
Grocery stores were using bar code scanners even before that. What's your point?


Keep in mind that the scanner here is very much a work in progress, with software updates and modifications being regularly rolled out. We now have real-time tracking where when loading a flight we can see how many bags we still are waiting for, which flights they are coming off of, and the inbound gates and ETA's for those flights, or the times when they actually arrived; considering how they're now working the first software version we had seems primitive in hindsight.

I think one of their long term goals is to have a scanner interface that will allow the user to not just commit bag totals but also eventually everything else that's been loaded and close the flight out, but I don't know. Although it's working well now I have some gripes over how the scanning program was implemented but I'll digress.


Yes, it's the fault of the lazy and forgetful "baggage handler guys", sounds like you got the stats right at your fingertips. Good call. Yes, sometimes people forget to close out their flights. Sometimes Sabre acts up and locks you out. Sometimes you have to call one of the very friendly CLP folks in PIT to finalize the load. Sometimes this takes a while. It's a system involving human beings and machines and software made by human beings.

I can guarantee you the amount of fuel wasted waiting for closeout numbers is a slim fraction of the fuel wasted sitting in the holding pen for 40 minutes waiting for a gate.


This happens from time to time.


There's only so much streamlining that can happen within this process, given the accuracy required for the load data there's always going to have be a human being needed to manually confirm the load data and close out the flight. As it is now we are instructed not to use the bag counts on the scanner when inputting loads into Sabre but to keep manual physical counts of all the bags. This infers that not all bags end up getting scanned, and this inference is accurate.


Given the complexity of the systems involved, how they're expected to work together, how they're integrated into the operation, and indeed the size of the operation make it so that smaller, incremental changes are completely necessary.

Thank you for a very lucid and inside view of what's going on. Sounds to me like a very typical migration from mostly manual to an automated system that could occur in most any business. Yes human error will always be with us, just less of it with a system like this.

Your last sentence really hits the nail on the head. Change must be incremental, over time for it to be successful. I hope it works because I have to check a bag for the first time in several years
 
Given the complexity of the systems involved, how they're expected to work together, how they're integrated into the operation, and indeed the size of the operation make it so that smaller, incremental changes are completely necessary.

AMEN! We went through hundreds of iterations of the On-board Sales Recorders (OSRs) software at AA (I think they are called HHDs (hand-held device) at US Airways) before we got to the current state where we can even scan the item being sold if necessary. It was not until the company could be comfortable with the accuracy and dependability of the devices and the software that we went cashless. A great day in flying indeed. No more accounting for the cash. No filling out deposit envelopes. No looking for the deposit safe in unfamiliar airports at 11pm with the van to the short layover hotel about to pull away from the curb.

Technology is a grand thing indeed. (Except when it's not. :lol:)
 

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