The future airline industry from a furloughed pilot''s point of view.

Not to get too off-topic but (this is starting to sound familiar) PA's biggest problem was that it started to get distracted from it's core product in the 1960's...between owning hotels, real-estate, training facilities, setting up other airlines PA had too much on it's plate. If memory serves me correctly PA never showed a profit after 1969.

By the time the late 70's rolled around, PA was cursed with an international system that had some real 'gems'...but also had some real 'dogs'. It's fleet was already getting old, and it's costs and efficiencies were way out of whack with US domestic (and most international) carriers.

PA never really stood a chance after the 1981-82 recession. By the time Pac-Div was pawned off to UA in 1987 the writing was on the wall. LHR and Lockerbie were just the 'denouement'. DL just got stuck with what no one else really wanted (including a black hole of loss-making operations that almost took DL down too).

PA just didn't have the capital resources or expertise to compete domestically...or to set up a network from scratch. PA didn't do any better with their PA Express feeder service in the NE than they did with improving on NA's own mediocre history.

It should have concentrated on what it did best (again, sounds familiar doesn't it?) and just set up a code share or alliance with an almost strictly domestic carrier at the time, like AA or UA. Unfortunately, it was about 15 years too early for that idea.

If PA had been blessed with visionary leadership in the late-70's/early-80's, instead of a mediocre and ego-laden one that was unable to understand the calendar did not say 1954, PA would probably still be around today.
 
CoMooter,

Visionary leadership for PanAm would have sold the unprofitable part of the company - the airline. PanAm would still be around today, but only as a real estate and hotel holding company. The airline would exist as it does today, as parts of other carriers' route systems.
 
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On 3/2/2003 8:53:29 PM ual747mech wrote:

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On 3/2/2003 4:23:27 PM WNjetdoc wrote:

Don't you guys get it? IMO its not about beating WN or JBLU, its about NOT beating yourselves. You have to get your own **** together before you worry about "beating" someone else. If you think people here at WN sit around talking about kicking this airlines butt or that airlines butt you are incorrect. We are focused on keeping our own house "clean" and "tight", not being worried about everyone else.
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I agree with you WN, that's why WN is rated one of the best, if not the best, airline to work for. You guys got your sh_t together. The reason all the bigger airlines is so worried about the LCC's like WN is because their market shares are being eroded by you guys. All the LCC's are slowly going into the bigger airlines established turf and slowly kick their ass out of there. Some carriers simply give up because they can't compete with you guys. Some folks here thinks that's the best thing to do and concentrate in the areas they are profitable in. I think in United's case, the top brass don't want to do that because it would eventually affect the company's bottom line if they simply gave up those routes the LCC's are beating us in. Those routes are needed to feed our bread and butter, the International routes and other key routes United flies.


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I agree with your post ual747.
 
In my opinion, you'd need the narrowbodies to move people from the international gateways to major cities, then a strong commuter network from there. And it still must be a top-notch carrier throughout the system, otherwise, you will have a $1400 passenger asking why they are treated like cattle.
 
The only way any of the big airlines will ever compete with SWA will be to change their culture! SWA hires people for theri personality that fits within their culture. That means people that can effectivly put aside their attitudes and selfishness to put out a quality product. Ask yourself why people pay to be shoved on a 737 like cattle? Besides the cheap price, the people that work for SWA are genuinely happiy to be there and it shows in their attitued and productivity and care and fun! Jet blue has figured this out and is trying to breed culture from jumpstreet. CAL figured it out and is rapidly cloning that gene. UAL, AAL DAL? They are so large and so beyond repair in that sense that only one or two could compete, and that would be in a whole different ball game, one which SWA doesnt have (international) yet. Even that is in jeopardy with carriers like Virgin!

Good Luck
 
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On 3/4/2003 11:37:26 PM gogogadget wrote:

SWA hires people for theri personality that fits within their culture. That means people that can effectivly put aside their attitudes and selfishness to put out a quality product.
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Ahh, so that's what the problem is eh, dysfunctional workers? The HR department at SWA has some special kind of procedure? I don’t think so. They look at the guy, ask a couple of questions and maybe notice that he looks a little bit like Tom Ridge or the dude in Sling Blade – you know, his head’s a little too big for his shoulders and when he was in sixth grade he probably rode to class in that short, stubby little school bus so they tell him they’ll “get in touch if anything turns upâ€

The workers at United aren’t any different than the workers at Southwest. The problem is that “culture†you eluded to – and that’s not got anything to do with the employees, that fault lays squarely on the shoulders of the leadership (if you can call it that)
 
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On 3/3/2003 1:43:40 PM Segue wrote:

The question is - in the new world of alliances, could an all international model work?



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In the right market, sure. Singapore is the perfect example, they are exclusively international.